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Is Talos viable for L3 PVE?

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Delara Navaan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-07 06:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Delara Navaan
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone knows any decent Talos builds for pve. I know most of you will say use Myrm instead or another BC more suited to pve, but I really like the idea of a glass canon BC. So is there any way a Talos could be workable in L3+ pve?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-02-07 06:31:23 UTC
Fit one out and try it, it's usually the best way to learn stuff.

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Lili Lu
#3 - 2013-02-07 07:29:12 UTC
Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.

Tier 3s are pvp ships.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-02-07 07:49:01 UTC
Well the Talos does one-shot rat frigs from 40km with only half of it's guns, and rest are dealt with drones.

I use a Talos often to rat and clean sleepers from harvesting sites.

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Juan Andalusian
Questionable Tactics Average Skill
#5 - 2013-02-07 09:07:37 UTC
A Talos with pure gank rail fit that has an optimal of 45-50km + AB will steamroll through L3 Missions. A MAR is optional depending if there is a close initial spawn on your warp in.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-02-07 10:17:55 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.

Tier 3s are pvp ships.


I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this.

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Juan Andalusian
Questionable Tactics Average Skill
#7 - 2013-02-07 11:45:06 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
The Myrm will run level 3s better.


10 times slower than a Rail Talos
Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-02-07 21:30:34 UTC
I'd assume that with the tracking bonus the Talos receives from the Battlecruisers skill, it could deal with NPC frigates quite easily with blasters just by either popping them on approach or burning away from them to minimize transversal. So in theory, it could work, but I think the tank may be a little underwhelming. Perhaps fit 2 Hardeners, and a shield booster? Maybe an extender? Here is something I just threw together while typing that last sentence:

Talos: Level III Runner

Highs:
Neutron Blaster Cannon II x8 (Antimatter L)

Mids:
10mn Afterburner II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Lows:
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2
Tracking Enhancer II x3

Rigs:
Medium Core Defense Field Purger x3

I have no idea if that is even a good idea for level 3s, as I don't mission, but it seems like it could work.

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears

Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-07 21:41:42 UTC
I have a friend that loves her Talos for PVE and uses it to great effect. You need to keep range so your turrets can track the rats, and use drones for ones that get close. It is unconventional to some people here, but it is quite viable if you are a good pilot.

Note that the Talos is the only Tier 3 BC I would dare use for PVE, as the other 3 have no drones for rats that get too close.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-07 22:46:56 UTC
I have been doin l3s in AC Tornado for a month now, been bit hairy couple times when i have strayed under 20k.
MWD, 2 harderners and medium shield booster Lol
Delara Navaan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-07 23:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Delara Navaan
Thanks for the encouragement guys. I'm definitely considering running a Talos now... so much more fun than something more conventional. Anyone else got any decent builds for me??

Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:
I'd assume that with the tracking bonus the Talos receives from the Battlecruisers skill, it could deal with NPC frigates quite easily with blasters just by either popping them on approach or burning away from them to minimize transversal. So in theory, it could work, but I think the tank may be a little underwhelming. Perhaps fit 2 Hardeners, and a shield booster? Maybe an extender? Here is something I just threw together while typing that last sentence:

Talos: Level III Runner

Highs:
Neutron Blaster Cannon II x8 (Antimatter L)

Mids:
10mn Afterburner II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Lows:
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2
Tracking Enhancer II x3

Rigs:
Medium Core Defense Field Purger x3

I have no idea if that is even a good idea for level 3s, as I don't mission, but it seems like it could work.



Thanks for yours btw Aria. Although I'm wondering are the tracking enhancers a bit of waste? Since you get drones to take out any frigs and shoot long distance at anything else??
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2013-02-08 01:34:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.

Tier 3s are pvp ships.


I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this.


I've steam rolled a few anoms with an Oracle. I dunno about the Talos though. I've been EFT warrioring an Oracle for running C2s. It'll probably work better than my Sleip but have way better ammo usage.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Yaoriko
TeamAXE inc.
#13 - 2013-02-08 07:58:25 UTC
Okay, now i have similar question, but about ferox. How it is gonna be with lvl 3 missons? All the infon i found is all about how hybrid gunships sux, rail sux etc. But all of those were old posts. So obvious question: hybrid stil sux?
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#14 - 2013-02-08 08:43:25 UTC
Yaoriko wrote:
Okay, now i have similar question, but about ferox. How it is gonna be with lvl 3 missons? All the infon i found is all about how hybrid gunships sux, rail sux etc. But all of those were old posts. So obvious question: hybrid stil sux?


Hybrids are fine. Medium Rails specifically are horrible.
Yaoriko
TeamAXE inc.
#15 - 2013-02-08 09:19:30 UTC
Is it bad idea to make rail ferox for pve ratting? Im not looking for easiest nor fastest way for killing. Just wanna know if its terribad to use rail ferox. I just really like caldari ships and railguns! Btw, im ratting duo with friend, so its not solo.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-02-08 10:28:33 UTC
Why do ask from us if it's terribad?

If you like something, do it, don't worry what others think about it.

If ratting speed does not matter to you, use whatever ship you like, Retriever will work.

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Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2013-02-08 14:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Callduron
Malcanis wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.

Tier 3s are pvp ships.


I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this.


Forsaken Hubs have no frigates and the trigger seems to be the last thing you shoot so you never have to tank half the last wave while tanking the next. Talos can't solo any other anom type efficiently.

Also the people who extol them tend to be people shooting kinetic-vulnerable rats.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#18 - 2013-02-08 15:08:15 UTC
Yaoriko wrote:
Is it bad idea to make rail ferox for pve ratting? Im not looking for easiest nor fastest way for killing. Just wanna know if its terribad to use rail ferox. I just really like caldari ships and railguns! Btw, im ratting duo with friend, so its not solo.



Remember the rebalance for BCs is coming up in a few days. After that, the old 'wisdom' about Ferox will need revised.

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Lili Lu
#19 - 2013-02-08 16:16:31 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.

Tier 3s are pvp ships.


I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this.


I've steam rolled a few anoms with an Oracle. I dunno about the Talos though. I've been EFT warrioring an Oracle for running C2s. It'll probably work better than my Sleip but have way better ammo usage.

-Liang

I appreciate both of your experience with anomalies and wormholes, but re-read the OP and the title for the thread. L3 I take to mean level 3 missions. Level 3 missions are filled with frigs and cruisers. As I said, in missions where one can snipe then using a Talos is fine. Should not be a problem and might be very good. But in missions that don't lend themselves to sniping a Myrm will be better. Also, having a tanking bonus is a good thing for newer players. Hell that's why so many gravitate into Drakes.

People run pve content in whatever they want, sometimes simply for the challenge of it. I've done it. Because we all know that the 9000th Sanctum or Gone Berserk or whatever can get a little old. Using something different can spice it up.

Anyway, of all the tier 3s the Talos is the best for pve because it can deploy 5 light drones to kill a scram frig flying under gun tracking if necessary. Regardless, a tier 3 BC is made for gang pvp (or in the case of the tornado for solo blapping of small **** for giggles). And a non- tier 3 BC is better suited for level 3 missions.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2013-02-08 16:17:29 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
I appreciate both of your experience with anomalies and wormholes, but re-read the OP and the title for the thread.


I wasn't really discussing the OP or use in L3 missions. I was discussing the use of Tier 3s in anoms.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

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