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CASE FILE 115/02/06-0117A - Caldari Business Tribunal Statement

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Alena Strazinka
Vapautusliike
#21 - 2013-02-07 00:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alena Strazinka
Alizabeth Vea wrote:


Whoa! Hold up. We have nothing to do with Heth. At all.


Was referring to the people babbling about verdicts. Your observation was quite correct, was merely offering my two corporate scrip tokens to reinforce the point. . .

[EDIT] And . . . looks like I fell into that one quite neatly, Alizabeth. Well played. Who knew preparing for war would make me so terrible with jokes?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2013-02-07 01:10:35 UTC
Whether or not you support the CPD in the actions it took today, it has the legal right to act as it has - the mandate of the CPD is provided by the CEP and not by some sort of bizarre popular vote. If there is a way out of the current mess it is to respect the chain of command and trust to the traditions of our ancestors.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#23 - 2013-02-07 01:34:41 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
Seems like I'll have to contact my political science teacher... the division of powers is gone in the Caldari State.


You have clearly confused the State's division of power with the framework of the Federation. The CEP owns the CBT, like Ishukone owns the Ishukone Watch.

The separation of powers is/was eight very powerful corporations set against one and other in a variety of ways and aligned together jointly in a few key areas.

What you are seeing is when one of the Eight's leadership decides it has broader appeal to the masses employed across the State than the corporations that employ them. We have yet to see one of its Peers decide enough is enough and meet force with force.

That is how power in the State is separated.


Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Whether or not you support the CPD in the actions it took today, it has the legal right to act as it has - the mandate of the CPD is provided by the CEP and not by some sort of bizarre popular vote.


Tuulinen-haan, we would be deluding ourselves if we did not recognize the means by which Heth-haan and the CPD came into existence, with the threat of widespread riots across the State in opposition to the Corporate management.

While there was no vote to put Heth-haan into power, widespread disillusionment and the desire of the common man for an end to corporate nepotism forced those in places of power to accept the new order or sacrifice their lives and the lives of those they held most dear. There is a reason only Ishukone stood in his way.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#24 - 2013-02-07 01:57:27 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Whether or not you support the CPD in the actions it took today, it has the legal right to act as it has - the mandate of the CPD is provided by the CEP and not by some sort of bizarre popular vote. If there is a way out of the current mess it is to respect the chain of command and trust to the traditions of our ancestors.


Tuulinen-haan,

By that way of thought, Heth should have never been allowed to live past his strike of Caldari Constructions, no matter public sentiment. The system Heth and the Provists replaced, if you wish to go that far, fell to the demand of the people for change based on their gross abuse of what makes the Caldari State, the Caldari State, and that is the people who toil to make our nation work. Abuse should not be met with unmoving devotion, and dishonor should not be awarded with the unflinching loyalty to the abuser.

Tradition dictates that when a member of our society has disgraced themselves and created a burden on the clan then they should willfully remove themselves from their position and brave the wastes in exile or death. I'm afraid Heth will not be so honor bound to do the same.

Respectfully,

Simon Malkov Louvaki, CEO
Sengokuvaa Corporate HQ
Federal Administration Information Center Office
Complex 781, Tier V
Luminaire VII (Caldari Prime)

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-07 02:10:58 UTC
Ekki Kurvora wrote:
CLEARED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE

Charges against one capsuleer "Aquila Shadow" and one independent capsuleer corporation "Caldari Office Of Naval Intelligence" were not filed officially due to concerns from the Intara Family that the organization would be unable to fulfil any demands for payment of damages, given the organization's operational size and limitations.

-- CASE CLOSED --


Probably also had some thing to do with the fact that the charges put forth but the Intara family were all based upon allegiance to the Kaalakiota Corporation off which i have no ties to. If you check their original post you will see what I am talking about.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-07 02:32:32 UTC
Heth's gone mad with power, and his fall is inevitable. It only remains to be seen whether or not he will drag the entire State down into his grave with him.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-02-07 03:24:12 UTC
Dex Nederland wrote:
You have clearly confused the State's division of power with the framework of the Federation. The CEP owns the CBT, like Ishukone owns the Ishukone Watch.

The separation of powers is/was eight very powerful corporations set against one and other in a variety of ways and aligned together jointly in a few key areas.

What you are seeing is when one of the Eight's leadership decides it has broader appeal to the masses employed across the State than the corporations that employ them. We have yet to see one of its Peers decide enough is enough and meet force with force.

That is how power in the State is separated.


Partially, you are right. I do make some mistakes between both political models, as both seem quite alien to my understanding of the world. But only partially.

Any political system is built by the elites in power in it, as a way to maintain control of the masses below them. This is the case with the Empire, the Federation, the Republic, the Kingdom... and the State. Thus, the Eight built the system so they could fight their internal wars/competition for dominance without hurting their bottom line of economic benefits to reap. Thus, though the system was not perfect in its division of power between the Eight, it was good enough to make them all accept the rules for it.

Heth butchered those rules when he overtook power, but apparently using loopholes and options theoretically inside the system. With a certain degree of consent, though not as extended as he'd like. This, though, is a breaking of that in the deepest sense: it has attacked a "neutral" institution of the Eight, overweighting his power above the interests and law requisites of another corporation. By doing that, it's broken the rules of the game by witch the Caldari political system was created, and broken them not in a subtle way (buy buying of the judge, for example) but by an overt and obvious maneuver to break the justice system.

It has broken, thus, the division of power, because the Eight were the main players in the game they created, but they were not the rules of the game. And now, he has thrashed the board aside and tossed all pawns and queens to random corners of the room with his angry gesture.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#28 - 2013-02-07 04:34:54 UTC
That is one way to put it.
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#29 - 2013-02-07 07:52:39 UTC
What an interesting precedent. Let us hope it is also not a harbinger.

Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!

"DRINK STARSI!" ©®™Ownership Group Chairman

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#30 - 2013-02-07 15:45:20 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Heth's gone mad with power, and his fall is inevitable. It only remains to be seen whether or not he will drag the entire State down into his grave with him.


Let us hope not. They would not deserve that.

Nor would we, who would feel the shockwave of the event, I'm sure.
Tannim Greene
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-02-07 16:48:44 UTC
I hope the Caldari state destabilizes enough so that we can then come in and.....Help.....Twisted

Take the stairs. Take the stairs. For God's sake, take the stairs!!

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#32 - 2013-02-07 17:22:56 UTC
Tannim Greene wrote:
I hope the Caldari state destabilizes enough so that we can then come in and.....Help.....Twisted


Hopefully there are people in the Federation wise enough to understand just how much of a mistake that would be.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#33 - 2013-02-07 17:33:25 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Tannim Greene wrote:
I hope the Caldari state destabilizes enough so that we can then come in and.....Help.....Twisted


Hopefully there are people in the Federation wise enough to understand just how much of a mistake that would be.


Unlikely. Democracy is a particularly virulent memetic disease. They think they're actually helping when they spread it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#34 - 2013-02-07 18:21:56 UTC
Tannim Greene wrote:
I hope the Caldari state destabilizes enough so that we can then come in and.....Help.....Twisted


Stop making the rest of us in the Fed look stupid.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-02-07 19:26:43 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Unlikely. Democracy is a particularly virulent memetic disease. They think they're actually helping when they spread it.

That you, of all people, would make such a statement is... well. I'd say "ironic," but in truth I don't think that word carries the contextual weight to express the monumental hilarity of the situation.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

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