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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-02-06 19:35:56 UTC
Anndy wrote:
you seem to be trying really hard to defend the RMT empires almost as if you have some sort of personal stake in it


Your McCarthyism is showing.

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Anndy
The Evocati
#62 - 2013-02-06 19:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Anndy
Weaselior wrote:
Anndy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that

most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense


you seem to be trying really hard to defend the RMT empires almost as if you have some sort of personal stake in it

you seem to be trying really hard to get everyone to look anywhere else but where we know the bots are, wonder why


so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or log when someone enters local??

look you cant deny high sec has tons of bots but null has just as many if not more and they are making much more then high sec bots

you also cant deny how things look from the outside, we see massive coalitions that refuse to fight each other(blaming sov mechanics only gets you so far) and for the past few years we've had accusations of RMT within the major alliances sometimes backed up with chat logs and while thats not proof it does make people really question whats going on and it simply doesn't look good
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-02-06 19:44:42 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Codie Dunier wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IB4 All hisec miners are botters


Its only about 50-60%

Most likely less ever since James started his little business...
Likely enough, James 315's little game has had little if any impact on botters - he needs peopel to interact with in order for it to work, and botters are pretty much the defninition of AFK. They just move when he starts in on a system. James hasn't enough friends to police more than a tiny fraction of Hi-Sec. Meanwhile, botters have high incentive to find places he isn't, and probably have better intelligence channels than he does.


And probably just paid the man so they could be left alone - what's a small licensing fee?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#64 - 2013-02-06 19:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Weaselior wrote:
when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that

most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense
It's almost as if CCP never thought about checking their own logs, so they could eliminate RMTing.

Why don't we message CCP and tell them to look at how those upstanding alliances have managed to achieve "complete transparency" Lol
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-02-06 19:46:55 UTC
Anndy wrote:
so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or logging when someone enters local??


i wonder if you're one of those who enters a station system like VFK and is surprised when nobody is ratting out in the open, because clearly everyone there is ratting and not just docked

but if you want to look for bots, look at mission hubs

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#66 - 2013-02-06 19:49:09 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Likely enough, James 315's little game has had little if any impact on botters - he needs peopel to interact with in order for it to work, and botters are pretty much the defninition of AFK. They just move when he starts in on a system. James hasn't enough friends to police more than a tiny fraction of Hi-Sec. Meanwhile, botters have high incentive to find places he isn't, and probably have better intelligence channels than he does.


And probably just paid the man so they could be left alone - what's a small licensing fee?

Across all the accounts a successful botter runs? A lot. And why would they pay when they can relocate for only a minor annoyance?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-02-06 19:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
mission bots can reliably farm 23/7 with zero interruption, the only risk being a suicide gank which requires the mission site to be probed out

meanwhile, a 0.0 ratting bot safes up the moment a hostile enters local, and if that hostile decides to hang around, well, there goes your "reliable" 23/7 income

the isk/hour might be higher in nullsec but hisec essentially guarantees 23/7 operation

rub a couple of those brain cells together and decide which avenue a botter would pursue

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Anndy
The Evocati
#68 - 2013-02-06 19:51:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Anndy wrote:
so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or logging when someone enters local??


i wonder if you're one of those who enters a station system like VFK and is surprised when nobody is ratting out in the open, because clearly everyone there is ratting and not just docked

but if you want to look for bots, look at mission hubs


yep thats right im a total moron and expect all the bots to be in station systems close to the pipes living it up getting rich
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-02-06 19:54:57 UTC
Anndy wrote:
yep thats right im a total moron and expect all the bots to be in station systems close to the pipes living it up getting rich


yeah because there's no reliable way to tell where large numbers of NPC kills are

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-02-06 19:57:02 UTC
believe it or not those mission runners in motsu who are constantly running missions 23/7 aren't just really enthusiastic about l4s

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-02-06 19:57:15 UTC
Anndy wrote:

so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or log when someone enters local??

you've never been in null have you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#72 - 2013-02-06 20:02:59 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Anndy wrote:

so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or log when someone enters local??

you've never been in null have you

One of my alts flies 'Nul' all teh time. Nope. Most often the reaction when he enteres a system is to see a sharp *increase* in local population.

Usually followed by 'yakety sax' and a full-on chase. Lol

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2013-02-06 20:03:24 UTC
Anndy wrote:

you also cant deny how things look from the outside, we see massive coalitions that refuse to fight each other(blaming sov mechanics only gets you so far) and for the past few years we've had accusations of RMT within the major alliances sometimes backed up with chat logs and while thats not proof it does make people really question whats going on and it simply doesn't look good

we cannot be held to account for you listening to idiots

ratting bots definitely exist in 0.0 but don't scale well (systems don't hold that many ratters) so anyone doing a lot of bots (which is what you need for rmt, as opposed to people running a bot as a way to fund themselves generally) stick to empire which does scale well

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2013-02-06 20:11:07 UTC
plus anyone who does rat legitimately in null will be watching local like a hawk. people who don't learn to do this get ganked until they learn or until they quit ratting. they'll be in a system where there's enough people anyone new shows up easily in local

so "they safed up" doesn't mean they're a bot it means they're not bait

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Anndy
The Evocati
#75 - 2013-02-06 20:23:56 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Anndy wrote:

so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or log when someone enters local??

you've never been in null have you

One of my alts flies 'Nul' all teh time. Nope. Most often the reaction when he enteres a system is to see a sharp *increase* in local population.

Usually followed by 'yakety sax' and a full-on chase. Lol


thats the blob trying to protect their botting RMT empire
Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#76 - 2013-02-06 20:24:50 UTC
Anndy wrote:
you also cant deny how things look from the outside, we see massive coalitions that refuse to fight each other


We've been fighting each other non-stop since the reset so try again son
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2013-02-06 20:24:58 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IB4 All hisec miners are botters


Its only about 50-60%


Proof??


Out of a sample of 600 miners from caldari ice belts over a month in spring of last year at least 50-60% were clearly bots.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#78 - 2013-02-06 20:35:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IB4 All hisec miners are botters


Its only about 50-60%
Proof??
Out of a sample of 600 miners from caldari ice belts over a month in spring of last year at least 50-60% were clearly bots.
Clearly, when you run a mining bot, you want to mine whatever gives you the lowest ISK/h.
Anndy
The Evocati
#79 - 2013-02-06 20:36:42 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
Anndy wrote:
you also cant deny how things look from the outside, we see massive coalitions that refuse to fight each other


We've been fighting each other non-stop since the reset so try again son


lol yes and none of it means anything when you have to set rules around the fighting, and that the only reason you reset was to avoid a massive eve wide war which would destroy your blue doughnut, call me when someone hits a tech moon and maybe i'll believe you
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2013-02-06 20:37:35 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IB4 All hisec miners are botters


Its only about 50-60%
Proof??
Out of a sample of 600 miners from caldari ice belts over a month in spring of last year at least 50-60% were clearly bots.
Clearly, when you run a mining bot, you want to mine whatever gives you the lowest ISK/h.


It wasnt the lowest by the time we finishedBlink