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Anyone know any literary agents personally?

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Aokigahara Midori
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-06 13:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aokigahara Midori
... So, I've written a book. Well, no, scratch that -- I've written several now. I've got two full-length YA novels finished and a third that's 90% done. They're part of a series of steampunk-themed fantasy that I've been working on for a little under a year now (being unemployed can drive a person to madness, I suppose. I have a long background in professional publication via journalism, however, so I write fairly fast).

I don't want to toot my own horn, but they're pretty good books... certainly not dreck like Stephenie Meyer's stuff. Yes, my series focuses on a bit of teenage romance and such, but it's not juvenile, pandering, 'oh, Edward left me, I'd better kill myself' or 'it's not even slightly creepy that this sparkly, century-old Vampire thinks that I, a teenage girl, am his destiny' nonsense.

I believe my work could and would sell well -- perhaps not as well as Harry Potter or anything, but it's impossible to tell which way people are going to flock at any given moment (the direction the wind is blowing seems to, as much as anything, determine which series is going to explode into a phenomenon next). All I can say is that they're good enough to compete well against a lot of the stuff I have read over the years, and optimistically that still means something.

Unfortunately, as you might expect, I've had a rotten time getting anyone to so much as glance in their direction. As far as I know, no literary agent has yet read beyond the first several hundred words, and I don't even know that for sure. All I've received is extremely generic 'thanks, but no thanks' rejection letters.

The problem with this business is that there are all these standards and practices that throw up walls between agents and potential authors, I guess as a method of protecting them from the people who truly have no business picking up a pen and pad and having at it. There is no personal communication until the product is basically sold... and you must convince them that you are 'the one' with a letter shorter than what I have typed thus far. Simultaneously, you have to use that same brief correspondence to elevate yourself over a delirious crowd of people screaming for identical attention. It is little wonder, then, that so much really bad stuff heads off to the presses, and so much that is profoundly good spends years wasting away unobserved.

I realize that I haven't been waiting as long as many unpublished authors, but I am getting desperate. Heart disease runs in my family, and while I think I will finish the series before my time, I'm terrified that I'll never see them published. I'm not seeking fame or fortune (but how wonderful indeed if they came), but this work really represents something I want to share with the world. I am a very big closet case with no friends outside my immediate family, and in a strange way, when I work on this series, I don't feel so isolated. The hope against hope that they will one day see the light of day keeps me going.

So, anyway, there you have it. This is an utter shot in the dark. And while I am just one dim twinkle amidst a vast field of sparkling stars, I guess this is my plea to the void that someone will turn their telescope my way.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2 - 2013-02-06 14:05:39 UTC
Self-publishing is your friend. There are several services available and some are pretty affordable, just in case the universe thinks differently than you about your work.

Of course, with self-publishing your troubles finding readers are the same as with finding an agent (everylastfuckingbody writes), but then if you manage to score a good selling pattern and get appropiate feedback, ti's gonna be the agents who have an issue finding you, and not you finding them.

Failing that.... well, then it wasn't meant to be.

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Aokigahara Midori
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-06 14:24:57 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Self-publishing is your friend. There are several services available and some are pretty affordable, just in case the universe thinks differently than you about your work.

Of course, with self-publishing your troubles finding readers are the same as with finding an agent (everylastfuckingbody writes), but then if you manage to score a good selling pattern and get appropiate feedback, ti's gonna be the agents who have an issue finding you, and not you finding them.

Failing that.... well, then it wasn't meant to be.


I absolutely refuse to self-publish. That is the route for people who cannot write, and I can write.

Don't tell me 'it wasn't meant to be.' There are thousands upon thousands of published authors out there who couldn't string three words together successfully without hitting a thesaurus, or falling back on an embarrassingly limited stable of adjectives. You act as if someone rejecting a 200-word query letter constitutes a fair or even sane analysis of my work. I didn't come here seeking a review of my talent, or suggestions on how to limit my own ambitions... just a potential alternate route to success. You can keep your screwed-up outlook to yourself, thanks.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#4 - 2013-02-06 15:22:20 UTC
Aokigahara Midori wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Self-publishing is your friend. There are several services available and some are pretty affordable, just in case the universe thinks differently than you about your work.

Of course, with self-publishing your troubles finding readers are the same as with finding an agent (everylastfuckingbody writes), but then if you manage to score a good selling pattern and get appropiate feedback, ti's gonna be the agents who have an issue finding you, and not you finding them.

Failing that.... well, then it wasn't meant to be.


I absolutely refuse to self-publish. That is the route for people who cannot write, and I can write.

Don't tell me 'it wasn't meant to be.' There are thousands upon thousands of published authors out there who couldn't string three words together successfully without hitting a thesaurus, or falling back on an embarrassingly limited stable of adjectives. You act as if someone rejecting a 200-word query letter constitutes a fair or even sane analysis of my work. I didn't come here seeking a review of my talent, or suggestions on how to limit my own ambitions... just a potential alternate route to success. You can keep your screwed-up outlook to yourself, thanks.

My sister has two polished and publishible books sitting on the shelf. Her agent was pursuing leads, had two possible publishers in line, then suddenly retired and left her hanging.

It's not easy. Aim at agents whom have represented authors who write material similar to yours. Read some of their client's work, and be prepared to discuss how what their clients have done is similar/dissimilar to what you've written - it shows you've done your homework and are serious. Be persistent. Never give up.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2013-02-06 15:33:08 UTC
Aokigahara Midori wrote:

I absolutely refuse to self-publish. That is the route for people who cannot write, and I can write.




I guess James Joyce couldn't write ? What a silly thing to say. Hard to take you remotely seriously now.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#6 - 2013-02-06 15:41:45 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Aokigahara Midori wrote:

I absolutely refuse to self-publish. That is the route for people who cannot write, and I can write.




I guess James Joyce couldn't write ? What a silly thing to say. Hard to take you remotely seriously now.
Actually, he has a point, though not the one he tried to make.
Many publishers will not touch an unknown author's work if it's been published someplace - any place - else. Most certainly including self publishing, and often even counting serializing in blogs.

Also, many self-publishing or vanity publishing houses are flat-out scams preying on the egos of wannabee writers. There are a few out there that are legit, but most of 'em are a waste of time and money. Better, all around, to have a solid agent on your hands.


The era of James Joyce is long behind us.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#7 - 2013-02-06 15:52:28 UTC
In what genre is your work?

There are some publishing house aout there that are fairly NewBro-friendly. SF/Fantasy, for instance, you could try Baen. Of course, being that they *are* fairly open means that their slushpiles are staggering. You might have to wait a bit before getting read.

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Aokigahara Midori
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-06 16:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aokigahara Midori
silens vesica wrote:
In what genre is your work?

There are some publishing house aout there that are fairly NewBro-friendly. SF/Fantasy, for instance, you could try Baen. Of course, being that they *are* fairly open means that their slushpiles are staggering. You might have to wait a bit before getting read.


If I get a read. Thank you for not being condescending, though. I really appreciate it when someone on the internet approaches a topic without snark. It's so rare these days. Sad

My books are steampunk, which is a relatively recent fantasy subgenre. Basically, it's a catch-all for a reimagining of the Victorian world (or an alternate world in the same stage of societal evolution), with giant airships, huge, flowing dresses, modern technology retooled through iron and steam, and (in some cases) magic and such. If you've ever played, for example, Final Fantasy VI, that, in a nutshell, is steampunk.

As to e-publishing, my derision towards it is due primarily to the fact that it is absolutely flooded with people who have given up on traditional publishing. This wealth of material, as I am sure you know, makes it extremely difficult to get an individual work recognized (or, for that matter, sold). Yes, it is still possible to do so, but I don't regard it as any less of a monumental task than getting legitmately published.

I haven't yet reached that point... and I guess I hope I never do. Steampunk is 'big' right now, and thanks to that there's a lot of it being released. Most of it is so badly written, however, that I cringe at the thought of it. Read, for example, the first few pages of this: http://www.amazon.com/The-Hellfire-Chronicles-Blood-Skies/dp/1434432084/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2 and you'll get an idea of what the 'norm' for the genre is right now (and, just for the record, I'm not commenting on the value of the storyline he's attempting to cultivate, but rather the lacking skill in telling it). I'm hoping to change that, but first I have to meet the right people and they have to give my work a chance.

As an aside, the 'judge a book by its first 5 pages' standard seems almost ridiculous. Look, for example, at the first five pages of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone the next time you get a chance. It's actually pretty freaking dull. I mean, Dumbledore is just kind of standing there, switching off the lights on the Dursley's street. If I hadn't been told explicitly 'yes, there is a good book that follows,' I'm not sure I would have been swept up by that introduction. And yet, this is how 99% of agents judge a work if they ever get past the query letter.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#9 - 2013-02-06 16:35:40 UTC
Talk to Baen, then. Seriously. They've published two novilizations of Girl Genius.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#10 - 2013-02-06 16:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
As for the 'first five pages' rule of thumb, well, you've not seen the slushpiles. They're scary-huge, and there are very few editors to read them. Plus they're full of horors like this.

So... Get an agent.
Yeah, I know - that's what you came in here, looking for a lead on.

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Aokigahara Midori
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-06 16:47:43 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
As for the 'first five pages' rule of thumb, well, you've not seen the slushpiles. They're scary-huge, and there are very few editors to read them. Plus they're full of horors like this.

So... Get an agent.
Yeah, I know - that's what you came in here, looking for a lead on.


It is sad reading about his untimely death, though. Sad I am a fervent believer that you cannot be taught to write beyond a certain point -- that there's something that great authors, like painters and musicians and other artists, are just born with. And perhaps he just didn't have 'it.' But, on the other hand, I cannot imagine writing something at the age of 16 and then having its mocked acknowledgement by the larger world annihilate my desire to be an author.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#12 - 2013-02-06 16:55:22 UTC
He actually rode it a bit, but yeah.

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#13 - 2013-02-06 17:06:35 UTC
Aokigahara Midori wrote:


Don't tell me 'it wasn't meant to be.' There are thousands upon thousands of published authors out there who couldn't string three words together successfully without hitting a thesaurus, or falling back on an embarrassingly limited stable of adjectives. You act as if someone rejecting a 200-word query letter constitutes a fair or even sane analysis of my work. I didn't come here seeking a review of my talent, or suggestions on how to limit my own ambitions... just a potential alternate route to success. You can keep your screwed-up outlook to yourself, thanks.


This made me chuckle ... so much ... Lol

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#14 - 2013-02-06 18:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Aokigahara Midori wrote:
I realize that I haven't been waiting as long as many unpublished authors, but I am getting desperate. Heart disease runs in my family, and while I think I will finish the series before my time, I'm terrified that I'll never see them published.


Even if it 'runs' in your family, you can make sure it never happens to you by getting regular exercise and eating properly. If you're truly that worried about it. It's not a death sentence. You have total control over illnesses like that.

That aside, i have a family member who is an editor for a pretty big publishing company, but no i won't pass anything along to them. What i can tell you is they do read everything that is submitted, so go ahead and do that. But if it doesn't touch on current popular topics or news items your chances are pretty slim. Even if you write the best medieval romance ever there is little interest in that right now outside of maybe pulp Harlequin novels. Have to think more about what public interest is centered on at the time than what you're personally interested in. People very much do judge books by their cover these days, and if the topic doesn't get their attention they aren't going to read the book to see how good it is.

Literature is in a sad state these days.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#15 - 2013-02-06 18:49:32 UTC
Also: When selecting a literary agent, you are selecting, in effect, an employee.
Interview them as such.

Ask for references. CHECK those references. Learn what authors they've represented, what kind of material those authors write, and how many books the agent has placed/sold. Read some of the various athors' work so you can see what quality of writer your agent is in the habit of supporting.

If an agent isn't suitable, well, no harm to anyone, and you've reomved a source of future strife and stress from your world. Move on and interview the next one.

Patience. Seriously. Nothing in publishing moves fast.

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Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#16 - 2013-02-06 18:51:29 UTC
Would it be possible to read an excerpt of yours?

Just thought I'd ask

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Cal Stantson
17eme Chasseurs a Cheval
#17 - 2013-02-06 18:52:53 UTC
OP's post is kind of long winded for someone who says they're a good writer.
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-06 20:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Provence Tristram
Bane Necran wrote:
Even if you write the best medieval romance ever there is little interest in that right now outside of maybe pulp Harlequin novels.


Wait... I'm confused. It's a medieval book? I thought she said it was steampunk.

Cal Stantson wrote:
OP's post is kind of long winded for someone who says they're a good writer.


I guess Tolkien and Rowling must suck then.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2013-02-06 20:10:18 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Even if you write the best medieval romance ever there is little interest in that right now outside of maybe pulp Harlequin novels.


The irony here is that most of the true Medieval Romances had nothing at all to do with romantic love stories. We had to read them ALL when I was a sophomore in High School.

There are certainly exceptions like "Tristan and Isolde", but one is hard pressed to find an inkling of even a little smooching in "Percival" or "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight". Lancelot and Guinevere sorta owned that in the Arthurian legends indeed.

They had a lot more to do with "heroic prose" than anything else really. And the 'romance' form did get weird in the 1800's with the Gothic Adventures ("The Castle of Otranto" comes to mind - same amazing teacher made us read it. I've only ever seen it referenced, and extensively, in Brian Aldiss' "Trillion Year Spree" history of Science Fiction).

......just tossing this out there......

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2013-02-06 20:13:46 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:

Cal Stantson wrote:
OP's post is kind of long winded for someone who says they're a good writer.


I guess Tolkien and Rowling must suck then.



lol. There is a way of being long winded and hilariously entertaining (Neal Stephenson) and a way of being overwrought and boring (Stephen King).

Tolkien and Rowling both rock, but I appreciate Rowling not necessarily for her famous series and its success, but for the fact she got so many people to actually pick up a book in this day and age.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

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