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Im gonna drop the role my usual role as troll here for a second and pitch an idea for your MD elite revival, i hope you appreciate it.

Ive read this post throughout the day and wondered how myself how to implement.

Then it struck me.

backstory:

I used to run a clan forum for a game called kings of chaos, it was a small text based MMORPG the forum was free (with ads but who cares). i hope you can follow me when i say words like access masks, subforums etc. i also had a MIRC bot & chat channel with about 150-200 players on it in its peak time.

new players that joined my "clan" (LOL precious) were given a noobie 'rank' and given a forum access mask to only see general stuff, as they kept playing, there access opened up.

have you seen the movie 54? its about a nightclub owner that successfully brings in the "elite" to his club. he did it by using velvet ropes, and exclusivity.

so now the detail.

Someone other than VV, creates the MD elite forum (or pays for it) who cares. as long as its not VV, goons, or anyone big, jus someone neutral whos been around the traps a bit, and ill explain why in a second.

the "Ranks"/access masks are as follows.

For investors:

Tirekicker - has read only access mask, costs no fee to join. must register an account though (will explain why in a minute)

Junior investor - has access mask for investments up to 2b & has up to 2b to invest - 50m joining Fee. (fee grants access for 1 month, then demoted to tirekicker)

investor - has access mask for up to has 10b+ to invest - 75m joining fee. (fee grants access for 1 month, then demoted to tirekicker)

Tycoon (life membership access all areas, may post only, not create new threads, other than a social area that all paid members will keep access too) - goons go here - 2b joining fee. (access for life)

Fund managers: can make collateralized loans or no collat. or IPO's/perpetuals

Fund manager - 2b - 500m deposit. (see below for deposit info)
access to make threads, (although its to be heavily moderated so u get only 1 thread)
access to the RL email mailing list including tire kickers, generating attention to you bond
subforums with loans above 2b are closed for posting
offer can be whatever they want it to be, stupid or not

Fund Manager - 5b - 1b deposit (see below for deposit info)
access to make threads, (although its to be heavily moderated so u get only 1 thread)
access to the RL email mailing list including tire kickers, generating attention to you bond
subforums with loans above 5b are closed for posting
offer can be whatever they want it to be, stupid or not they paid to post it.

Fund Manager - 10b+ - 2b deposit (see below for deposit info)
access to make threads, (although its to be heavily moderated so u get only 1 thread)
access to the RL email mailing list including tire kickers, generating attention to you bond
all subforums with loans are open
offer can be whatever they want it to be, stupid or not they paid to post it


Deposits from fund managers. only for non collat loans.
if you want to be a fund manager, you need a deposit of 20% for an uncollat loan, or GTFO, this will stop the 100b+ threads, and keep it at a reasonable bond/fund size. players that have access to read the forums, know the fund manager has put in a deposit.
the deposit money is held in a fund by 3rd party grendall for a super low rate of 1% or w/e(NOT VV)
at the end of the term, the deposit is returned. there will need to be a mechanic to prove payment, but since investors paid for the mask, there no reason they would leave feedback.

Fees
Fees from investors are given to a separate 3rd party to run a perpetual fund, to help repayment of scams. this separate 3rd party is a role that will require active trading, or long term specualtion,

Successful bond, what next: the forums will have a reputation bar type thing with a post count, a link to their current bond, and reputation is modified manually by the admin team to increase by 1 pip per successful bond.
if a fund manager decides to scam, he loses access to the forums, loses his deposit & is ostrisized from the community. the deposit goes back to the lenders.

when deposit isk is sent to accounts, there can be an API plugin to the site to link the payment and make the admin team aware of a new deposit, and a mask change.

the admin team, will need to be well known players that hold no 3rd party assets, so at moderation remains unbias. you would need admins across all TZ's, being an admin means you can't be a fund manager.

feel free to build on the idea thats what i have so far,

Guys, something has been brought to my attention regarding your potential future MD scam (or legit bond).

Using RMT bought accounts, is a bad idea, and you risk losing more than just the scam account, but all your accounts. even though it seems like an easy approach, to have characters not swapping accounts, and can fool players into thinking it is your main, that already has 'clean history'

Any business, a good one, being run to generate revenue, will always chase down said revenue. when the procedures to accrue revenue are circumvented, the business reacts accordingly. for instance, riding the terms of your latest power bill, past due & getting a 200 dollar late fee.

Easier to just start a new account like i said in the OP.

DON'T DO IT. FOLLOW THE GUIDE ON PAGE 1 PROPERLY, TO LEGITIMATELY FLEECE SCRUBS, OR MAKE LEGIT PROFITS.

These RMT comments are not aimed at anybody directly, ty for locking that other thread, prevent much sperg

posting in a sperg thread.

yeh theres faster ways to get tears than a word driven md scam, thats for sure lol i personally prefer laughinh at supercap xfer scams where ebay renter buys from goons, then post the tear thread, lol, but thats like a whole nother level to this crap

edit to budding scammers, its obviously contract scamming, or margin trade scamming there u can google those to work out how to do it exactly.

theres a guy in amarr few year back, had spaceship barbie name, good name, victim looks at it and potentially thinks about dolls.

I recently started investing through the MD thread.

I look at the players that request loans in a different way.
As I see anyone can become a scamer, no matter what rep he has. It all comes down to how much it's at stake.

Even if he has 1 trillion ISK in his wallet and good, lasting rep, when he receives investment from players in another trillion, he can take the money and leave the investors dry. It's not real life. No one knows him by his real name, no one knows where he lives and what he is doing in RL. All the stakes here are only emotional so there is no real prosecution for this type of 'criminal', except maybe his own guilt.

That is why I would never deposit part of my ISK in a huge bond (hundreds of billions) no matter who that person is.
That is why I deposit my ISK in small bonds, requested by players that seem genuine and have proof regarding their work.

My guess is that the smallest chance to lose ISK and the biggest chance to gain ISK is by aiming at the middle part of the graph :

no rep / inconsistent API ||||| some rep / consistent API ||||| a lot of rep / proven time and time again he is legit
requests small bond / great ROI ||||| small - medium bond / good ROI |||||| large - huge bond / small ROI

This is my opinion. I am still new here, so with time I might change it, but for now I'm sticking with it.
I also really like the way flakey is operating. Giving a chance to players to prove their worth it's optimistic and serves a good cause in the end.

I would never laugh at someone that invests money and loses them.
Taking the risk and pulling the profit at the end is hard because in the end, you are gambling.

Good questions so I will try to give an equal response.

1) I think it's a combination of four things :

- Human interaction : compared to rating, mining or station trading, in this case you can interact in different ways with the player that requests the investment and with the other players that react to this dynamic ( MD is entertaining, no ?). This is a sandbox MMO afterall :)

- The satisfaction you have when you see the investment pays off and your guts prove right,

- The satisfaction that with your money you also helped another person kickstart his career in EVE.

- The fact that your money are not idle, and compared to other professions, the money are active as the more you have, the more you can make. For example, rating is a static way of making ISK. Pretty soon you hit a hard cap of ISK/hour/effort .

2) Can I not do better with my ISK ? Well, I station traded, now I manufacture, rat, explore and pvp. I use as investments only the money I can spare to lose. If I get scammed, sure I will be pissed for a day, but the next I would just forget about it.

The good part in losing game money is that you can still continue to feed your family, drive your car, go to work and on holidays, no?

3) As I said, it's just a gamble. I like to think I can read people. At least in real life I know I can :)
I'm not afraid that I lose those money because from the beginning I take into consideration the hard fact that I can lose them.
Is it a strange statement ?

4) I will never take the easy way of making money in real life or in a game. It gives you no real satisfaction. And there is also an interesting phrase : " Easy comes, easy goes"

Hope this covers it :)

Scamming sucks

Deal with IT.
http://imgur.com/gallery/giCNq

I think that as crazy as that may sound some people have conscience even in games.It depends how much you indentify yourself with your alter ego, for some people its just another pixel that they will biomass for others its everything.A scum in real life will probably be the same ingame.

One can not roleplay beeing an ***-hole in eve. When you **** on people you play with this makes you as much an ***-hole as when you **** on other people. People are just more likely to act like a total brick when they don't expect any consequences.

I think people have a right to be ***-holes, both in real live and in eve. But that doesn't make them any less outrageous.

Because of this I believe that decent people will also act decently in eve.



Why I invest?
You won't see me doing station trading. It's the most boring clickfest I can imagine.
So all the money I bother investing is invested and there is still some isk left in my wallet. Why not try to let other people do something with it and have it even grow?
Of course should I loose my investments, that would hurt. But I stick to "Don't risk what you can't afford loosing.", so my tears would be something like "Oh Dear, **** happens." before I switch back to daily routine.


Edit: We do not need to beep out the hole, or so I hope.
Edit: Now it didn't put a beep on the ***? Can we have a forum for people of age 10+ anyway?

Pepridge: "20b"
lamper: "i now only have 10b, dam cashouts its all your fault,well screw it, im gonna play the legit card now and try and get the whales back in my nets"
Pepridge: "op success"

Well at the very least it makes the scammer's work hard for their money lol... make em work!