Market Discussions

Jerry is right, An audit is only good for rooting out, obvious and silly lies.

Other than that. if someone wants to, they can create an alt account that will be factually indistinguishable from a main account.

This is all very confusing. I wish someone who posts a lot on here and has a clever character name would just tell me to whom I should send my money.

OP Updated, with this option thanks.

yup, this thread, theres ppl reading that don't beleive theres MD scams running right now, oh there just trolling, " " would never do that.

when in reality, there is threads in md where its nothing but alts(10-15) talking to each other., & 1 real mark.

stating the obvious is your funny, thats fine

a few years back (misty era) md was 'audit' or gtfo

i tried telling ppl how easy it was to duck and weave it, but i guess they didn't beleive that ppl goto such lengths for isk, when really its just an alt for lulz.

of course md dispised everything i say (still do) i like to get a rise out of vv as he always turns any thread here into an arguement about how awesome he is, like he did in the guidance system,s thread.

so it was funny watching scrubs throw money at a guy named cosmoray after a successful "audit"

what a load of bullshit.

This forum community trusted characters like "YouGotRipped", "**** Train" and "Large Trash" without hesitation.

edit: also nobody cares about audits anymore, investors are perfectly happy investing into anyone who provides an api key without the need for a middleman. stop flogging a dead horse.

Truth troll....

Only in your head a performance audit (a thing that shows how good or bad a guy sold his stuff) is a "legitimacy" audit. Only in your head there exist "legitimacy" audits at all.
Since you don't seem totally dumb, this means you are fabricating vast loads of manure, which is understandable since you need to discredit everything and everyone figthing against your desire to creare new scam alts.

Furthermore, only someone in bad faith could link a report so old to be in the old forums with a recent scam (or player disappearance, we'll probably never know).
Going by your trail of thought, if I crash my airplane in 2013 you should blame the "idiot" who certified me in 1992. Hey, the world is certainly so static and situations never change!

But the issue is not even here to begin with, since a performance audit does not involve ANY check on somebody and is exclusively about showing their trading performance. Everyone here knows this including you.

Now go on and proceed spewing more maroon stuff, I noticed even newer players framed you in your place quite fast.

You know, I hope that this doesn't come across as a personal attack. It may, but I have an opinion and a voice, and I'll use them both.

There are certain people on this forum who create a self-fulfilling prophecy. You call someone ugly enough, they will start to believe you. Scamming DOES NOT have to be the norm in the MD forum. We can be a niche part of the community.

To reiterate my last point, if you innundate enough threads with SCAM SCAM SCAM, you start having a psychological effect on people participating in this forum.

You know, I can't figure out with a few people on here whether they've just been burned real bad themselves in the past, or if there is something else going on.

I've presented a very poorly constructed argument, but that's okay because I don't see myself changing many opinions.

So, Jerry, instead of posting this thread, why not post something constructive such as "General guidelines to keep yourself from getting scammed." Or "Methodology and tactics to spot a scammer," or "Finding the right investee," or "Known list of MD Scammers & Alts."

There are a lot of ****ing weird people who play this game. And, bravo to that. But, this negative **** all the time is gdamn rediculous. The belief that scamming has to be the norm is dead wrong.

The only way to reduce the number of successful scams is to bring back the MD Elite.

/me dons her flameproof suit.

The best collateral is one's standing within a community.

The intra-alliance investment forums of TEST and GSF prove this impressively - scams are extremely rare, interest rates are high and the business managers can be arsed to write more than "gief isk for station trading naow".
(TEST is pretty terrible but even they heavily encourage use of Hexxx's template for investment threads.)

Why does this work? because these alliances offer a community that people actually want to be a part of, because becoming a part of these communities is not trivial and because scammers get excommunicated swiftly & consistently (often even from non-EVE-related gaming groups).

All three points are not true for present-day MD.
The extended MD "community" is extremely thin and pretty ******.
Posters come and go, hardly anybody stays for more than a few weeks. Reputation is basically non-existent.
Scammers such as Bad Bobby, Riethe, ... get fawned over instead of excluded.

The "MD Elite" was an imperfect but imo overall successful attempt at tackling these issues.

Tearing down the social structure of MD turned what once was the most close-knit sub-community on the eve-o forums into a loose bunch of anonymous shitposters.

I've been reading this forum every other day for more than 4 years and I have around 1500 posts in MD alone; there was a time when I really felt "at home" in this forum & community - but if I am honest with myself then I care a lot more about what C&P (which I very rarely read or post in) thinks of my character than I care about present-day MD.

MD 2013. A worse community than C&P.