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Eve on the verge of collapse?

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Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-02-06 05:51:13 UTC
A sad day, indeed.

RIP EvE. Sad
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-02-06 05:59:26 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-02-06 06:43:27 UTC
I keep on wondering what would happen to the current state of EVE nulls if suddenly all titans, supercarriers, jump freighters, jump bridges and blackops battleships went extinct. What would happen if CCP would suddenly undo all of the force projection methods that got introduced over the years. Would the current powerblocks fall apart or merge into one giant superblob to conquer all of the nulls?
The face of PVP was changed forever once people found out they can safely "hotdrop" right ontop of other people's heads via titan jump portals or by own use of jumpdrives.

Just some food for thought for all of you.

And, uh, just a few years ago EVE was dying with just two powerblocks in the nulls, now we have four.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#64 - 2013-02-06 07:04:25 UTC
I'm not sure the game really has an opinion on Verge of Collapse, being that it is a game and not an AI yet.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#65 - 2013-02-06 07:20:49 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
I keep on wondering what would happen to the current state of EVE nulls if suddenly all titans, supercarriers, jump freighters, jump bridges and blackops battleships went extinct. What would happen if CCP would suddenly undo all of the force projection methods that got introduced over the years. Would the current powerblocks fall apart or merge into one giant superblob to conquer all of the nulls?
The face of PVP was changed forever once people found out they can safely "hotdrop" right ontop of other people's heads via titan jump portals or by own use of jumpdrives.

Just some food for thought for all of you.

And, uh, just a few years ago EVE was dying with just two powerblocks in the nulls, now we have four.


You'd start moaning about sub cap blobs and napfests.

Just delete cynos from Eve and allow caps to jump themselves. Your immediate issues with power projection (aka hotdropping) will disappear.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#66 - 2013-02-06 07:29:33 UTC
"This game is beginning to decay, and probably won't last another day."

Selling WH CFC Standings 10b/month for +10 with: Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks, Overwatch This, Many Vacancies, Golden Showers, Friendly Probes, Isogen Memed.

Join up for swag C3 Gila/Osprey ratting fleets daily! We also rent C2s out with CV effect!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#67 - 2013-02-06 07:52:43 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
With Eve becoming more about power bloc coalitions, seems eve is controlled by just 4 entities HBC, CFC, Solar, N3
and the big blue doughnut. CCP not doing anything about this and allowing them to just control everything and anything.

With what happened to the chinese server, im surprised CCP hasnt seriously done something about this. as personally I am tired of playing someone elses sandbox.

If someone wants to live in nullsec, its impossible unless they pay some scamming rip off alliance 5 billion a month for 1 crappy system!

eve has become totally saturated

so many corps and alliances impossible to recruit
space is controlled by large power blocs
newbies have no chance to ever get the same gameplay or benefits without kissing some vets ass
all the moons have been taken and no one will ever get them unless they have 100000000 titans and supers..

eve on the verge of collapse? i would say so unless they make a new universe where you cant take your current chars with you and everyone starts from scratch... oh wait doesnt every other MMO do this to ensure everyone as the same chances and gameplay experience ? but eve... lol... nope...


Out of interest. what do you expect CCP to do? Take some systems away from the CFC, give them to you and tell mittens "no taksie backsies!"?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-02-06 07:55:00 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:

With what happened to the chinese server, im surprised CCP hasnt seriously done something about this. as personally I am tired of playing someone elses sandbox.



Out of curiosity, what happened on the Chinese server?



Nullsec got conquered by half a dozen large alliances.

The dream of nullsec owned by a thousand tiny corporations that all hate each other didn't happen, and some people think this is a problem that CCP should some how fix.


For small corps to hold a system would require the removal of jump bridges, disabling cynos and an area of space interconnected only by variable, unreliable portals which strictly limited the volume of ships able to move through them, making large fleet movements incredibly difficult. If CCP were to add a couple of thousand systems like that, then there'd be scope for individual corps to own some space.

If only.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#69 - 2013-02-06 08:06:49 UTC
Oh look it's another nullseccer thinking that their Blob & Bot gameplay is relevant or interesting

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Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-02-06 08:20:05 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
I keep on wondering what would happen to the current state of EVE nulls if suddenly all titans, supercarriers, jump freighters, jump bridges and blackops battleships went extinct. What would happen if CCP would suddenly undo all of the force projection methods that got introduced over the years. Would the current powerblocks fall apart or merge into one giant superblob to conquer all of the nulls?
The face of PVP was changed forever once people found out they can safely "hotdrop" right ontop of other people's heads via titan jump portals or by own use of jumpdrives.

Just some food for thought for all of you.

And, uh, just a few years ago EVE was dying with just two powerblocks in the nulls, now we have four.


You'd start moaning about sub cap blobs and napfests.

Just delete cynos from Eve and allow caps to jump themselves. Your immediate issues with power projection (aka hotdropping) will disappear.

I guess there isn't really a working solution to the "safety in numbers" problem, is it?
Flag Bravo
#71 - 2013-02-06 08:23:03 UTC
Eve is a little like real life. There are those that have it all, and then those who have to pay subs.
The world is on the edge of collapse, so maybe Eve simply reflects this.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#72 - 2013-02-06 08:44:40 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
[...] i would say so unless they make a new universe where you cant take your current chars with you and everyone starts from scratch... oh wait doesnt every other MMO do this to ensure everyone as the same chances and gameplay experience ? but eve... lol... nope...


I am still waiting for my first re-start in Everquest 2. Or in Everquest. Have never played WoW, but AFAIK there hasn't been a re-start neither. So, what MMO are you talking about?
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-02-06 08:52:26 UTC
Even if very few blobs "control" 0.0, the control they have is thin and little more than just an in-game tag.

-You can take fleets to some of their staging systems, bubble-lock them and massacre their ratters and mission runners.
-You can rat and do what you want in their space. Most of it is empty anyways, and they are so disorganized that many times it takes ages for them to mount up a counterfleet for your 5-10 guys.
-There are tons of systems in NPC space which they cannot and do not control.

All in all, this "conquering" thing is very thin, and it is done by way of supercaps and numbers. But those numbers are only called for when facing another blob, most of the time.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#74 - 2013-02-06 09:25:48 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Even if very few blobs "control" 0.0, the control they have is thin and little more than just an in-game tag.

-You can take fleets to some of their staging systems, bubble-lock them and massacre their ratters and mission runners.
-You can rat and do what you want in their space. Most of it is empty anyways, and they are so disorganized that many times it takes ages for them to mount up a counterfleet for your 5-10 guys.
-There are tons of systems in NPC space which they cannot and do not control.

All in all, this "conquering" thing is very thin, and it is done by way of supercaps and numbers. But those numbers are only called for when facing another blob, most of the time.


Damm you!! I was going to say the same...

Let all the alliances play their little risk games. We just hit them where they don't expect and grab some for us.

Guerrilla warfare, the Iberian way.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#75 - 2013-02-06 09:29:59 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I know they have zero impact on my game overall, and I daresay they have very little impact on others that have chosen to play their own game.

The best way for a high-sec bear to paint a target on their back is to come here on the forums and talk about how null-seccers have 'zero impact' on their game. Like that 'pffft, who cares' miner during Hulkageddon.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#76 - 2013-02-06 09:39:53 UTC
Unfortunately the formation of power blocs is going to be the case of any sort of game that is freeform and involves terrirtorial warfare, it is simply the best way to survive , this also happens in reality also and is going on right now where power blocs form in order to not only protect themselfs but also corner oposition, of course on the odd occasion you will get the odd anomaly but int he overall scheme of things alliances will always form in order to survive in such a universe.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#77 - 2013-02-06 09:41:49 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Even if very few blobs "control" 0.0, the control they have is thin and little more than just an in-game tag.

-You can take fleets to some of their staging systems, bubble-lock them and massacre their ratters and mission runners.
-You can rat and do what you want in their space. Most of it is empty anyways, and they are so disorganized that many times it takes ages for them to mount up a counterfleet for your 5-10 guys.
-There are tons of systems in NPC space which they cannot and do not control.

All in all, this "conquering" thing is very thin, and it is done by way of supercaps and numbers. But those numbers are only called for when facing another blob, most of the time.


Sir,

It appears you are trying to say that any other action than complaining about goons & TEST on the forums is viable, or even moral.

You disgust me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Amone Vaille
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-02-06 09:45:31 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
With Eve becoming more about power bloc coalitions, seems eve is controlled by just 4 entities HBC, CFC, Solar, N3
and the big blue doughnut. CCP not doing anything about this and allowing them to just control everything and anything.

With what happened to the chinese server, im surprised CCP hasnt seriously done something about this. as personally I am tired of playing someone elses sandbox.

If someone wants to live in nullsec, its impossible unless they pay some scamming rip off alliance 5 billion a month for 1 crappy system!

eve has become totally saturated

so many corps and alliances impossible to recruit
space is controlled by large power blocs
newbies have no chance to ever get the same gameplay or benefits without kissing some vets ass
all the moons have been taken and no one will ever get them unless they have 100000000 titans and supers..

eve on the verge of collapse? i would say so unless they make a new universe where you cant take your current chars with you and everyone starts from scratch... oh wait doesnt every other MMO do this to ensure everyone as the same chances and gameplay experience ? but eve... lol... nope...



I think EVE has been dying for 9 years.....

And subscriptions have never been higher.






And by subs you mean new alts right?! I know a few people that have 11 alts mining at a time
Kestrix
The Whispering
#79 - 2013-02-06 10:08:06 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Seems eve is controlled by just 4 entities HBC, CFC, Solar, N3 and the big blue doughnut.


Every one needs friends. No harm in having a blue list and Sov is not a mandatory requirment to living in Null.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#80 - 2013-02-06 10:10:22 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Seems eve is controlled by just 4 entities HBC, CFC, Solar, N3 and the big blue doughnut.


Every one needs friends. No harm in having a blue list and Sov is not a mandatory requirment to living in Null.


Not to mention the ~2500 systems in W-space populated by people who may as well be unaware of even the existence of those 4 entities.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016