Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I want a Docking Jammer. It's an anchorable device like bubbles, that prevents nullbears from docking once activated. Also works for POSes, their bots would just bounce off the shields like they had no password.

I know how it works, and how this come mostly from group/corporation/alliance directives more than individuals mindests.
But the problem here is that what is asked in this thread as in 100 others is to change the game mechanics to fit even more these indifiduals or groups mindset, to totally remove ANY risk from null, eve only a simple chance for something different to happen occasionally and definitivaly consolidate the stagnant safe area that is became in the last years.

I wonder how you folks do not see how absurd this is. You ask protections and safety mechanics that do not exists neither in high sec.

If I rat in low sec I've no warranty to not have someone sneaking to me cloacked. I do not cry and give up any activity if there's one (ONE) neutral (probably AFK) in local. not like I'm special, none does. By what logic such safety this should be granted by mechanics (not by player effort) in null???





Aye, but here you (not you personally, I mean in general) are requiring to LOWER the bar further more.

I am personally surprised anyone is capable of this perspective.

In my opinion, Fluffy, you are really out there.

Granted, I don't often go to the trouble of pointing this out, but I can tell you quite honestly I play on both sides of this fence. I want to see PvE as well as cloaking demonstrate effort in exchange for reward.

I want to see the group who makes the most effort beat the group who falls short of that level of effort.

In order for this to happen, the effort must exist.
By denying miners and ratters the opportunity to make a better effort than their peers, they dumb down the game.
I can't mine and watch sensors more closely than my counterpart in a different alliance.
We are force fed intel on a level we can't improve on, so even if I am willing to work harder, I am not given a chance to.

Cloaked vessels? Big disappointment.
My first interest 7 years ago had been the manticore... a little frigate that could dare to threaten the big ships. Epic stuff, and since it was expensive and very skill intensive to do it right, I figured it must be worth it.
I mean, you don't train that hard, or spend that much ISK, and just end up with a fancy shuttle, right?

Oops.
Cloaked vessels were like a puzzle piece that did not actually fit completely in the game.

Sure, they can't locate you, but the moment you enter and exit a system they know. Your not the hidden terror, striking boldly at opponents from the shadows...
You're inconveniently interrupting their ratting and mining, and they wait for you to leave. Shut the door on your way out please.

So yeah, gameplay on both sides kinda blows, and the fix for both is to dump the DayCare monitor that Local has become.
The stalemate exists for that reason.

You know the funny thing about that statement? It's the fact that you think that safety only applies one way, whilst they are AFK sitting behind their cloak. It doesn't.

If you seriously want to go down the route of complete safety, then at least be honest.

^Look, once again an argument based on a one sided view for the benefit of one.

Security. You are are saying no one should have that, actively worked for or afk, or docked, or parked under a pos shield... unless of course you have a cloaking device. Then that's different. No matter where you are, whether you are "playing" or not right? Unfindable, untouchable, AFK or active, but a potential threat non the less.

Funny thing is that the security of a pos or station in null is provided by hard work and activity. It's not some magical thing that's just there or gifted for free by an even more magical fountain of isk. The things that the "evil people" in null have are built by them and defended by them with hard work yet also lost through the works of others. For those who have been in null, you know it's not some magical place where thousands of players are bubbling every gate with uber large blue balls of awesomeness & isk fountians in the captians quarters. The toys can be brought out, but eve isn't as populated as the ccp stats would have you beleive. Whether in high, low or null. Many of those stats are made up of alts. AFK alts left alone and tabbed too every now and again with impunity for a possible giggle if cloaked.

So many times it's been said... you agree to pvp when you undock. Yet there's one bazaar exception to that rule and that's a cloaking device that can be fitted with next to no training on anything from a disposable rookie ship to an expensive killing machine.... And there in lays the main issue. There's no way to tell and that gives them a real advantage with requirements of almost no training or investment or risk assuming you aren't flying what you can't afford to loose.

Games flourish with activity. Games die with inactivity. Hell, if it was public how many people online were alts this game probably would die. Human nature.

I've been in null most of my eve life. But I'm a casual player. I fund my accounts with real life money. Never playing enough to fund the game time ratting or mining in whatever form of game play I choose on the day.

Maybe that's why i'm frustrated with the cloaking mechanic? They are there, they can hurt me but there's nothing I can do to them but on their terms except use the same lame arse mechanic in their space... or nothing at all of consequence if they are an unknown highsec alt. Eve is harsh.... Unless you are cloaked.

Gay.

I'm a complete figgen care bear. If all in eve hugged and danced around fires I'd play happily shooting rocks 'n rats and talking **** on comms. Even with me being that way, I find myself wanting to do something or having the ability to do something to / counter someone in my back yard who wants to cause me grief... but I can't. This is the back yard that all who are here have worked for in one way or another. Do you not see how broken that is? There is no counter option that the cloaky isn't in full control over.

Cloaking the way it is, is like having a random piece of highsec in a place where it isn't supposed to be. Worse than highsec that so many of you ***** about as the cloaky has 100% safety, no risk except on their choosing (undocked comparison) .

and so what if if someone puts up a POS for u and then fuels it for u to hide in. every single cloaker has to train up and buy every cloak individually.

ur not going to make cloakers vulnerable unless u make PvE'res also vulnerable. the fact u think that its reasonable to allow riskless PvE in the most dangerous parts of space is absolutely staggering. u have no perception of risk vs reward at all. at least if PvE'res were made vulnerable, most cloakers would accept a way to detect and locate cloaked ships. u simply just want to have ur cake and eat it.

go back to hi-sec. no afk cloakers there.

cloaking is the best way to prevent alliances from making as much isk. its emergent gameplay to turn local against the PvP averse. Blobs get u so far, and then u meet the other blob. long before u get near any ratting systems...as if attacking ratters was justification enough to gather the resources for a blob...why not just send and AFK cloaky alt.

u have a problem with ppl not being at their keyboard affecting gameplay. i have a problem with ratters making billions of isk without any risk in a game that claims Risk Vs. Reward as one of its fundamental rules of gameplay.

Yes, something has definitely gone awry.
No, the solution does not lie with nerfing cloaking alone.
No, an AFK cloaker does not affect gameplay anymore than someone who is docked or POS'd AFK.
No, u cannot have ur hostile free systems in null sec. Its null sec, if u cannot protect urself from other players, u dnt belong there.

ur just a null bear who wants at least two systems he can rat in without any possible interruptions, so u can make billions and billions of isk and never lose a thing. accept that u are risk averse, u do not belong in null sec. come back to hi-sec, no afk cloakers to cry about there.

again, the only response you have is i must be a bear.... No not at all. I rat a few hours a month at most and most of the time its running a plex and not sanctum ratting.


again you still think, that the only way to stop people from making billions of isk is cloakies.. and im telling you thats not true... Go camp them into a station with a fleet... put up gate camps between systems.. Put up small bubbled and bomb the **** out of people like pizza have been doing.


But no you wont even think about doing any of the 9000 ways to kill people beside cloakys. its just gotta be a cloakies because all of these ways somehow involve other people comming to kill you and thats what scares you.

Poor Fluffy...

I am sorry that this seems so unnatural to your expectations.

I will try to help, with a few pointers.

*POINTER* You mentioned POS's and Outposts. Great, aren't they?
They are one advantage provided to you by your corp or alliance.
The other advantage is manpower, and the teamwork that turns the manpower into something of value.
I understand, you can only use the advantages you have available, and if the manpower is not present when a need arises, you retreat into what is left. So, you 'Get Safe'.

*POINTER* The game did not end regarding corp or alliance duty, when those outposts and POS's went up.
Sadly, the game mechanics have allowed many to abandon their comparatively defenseless comrades to rely on Amazing Intel™ alone, rather than an effective defense fleet. Thankfully gate camps still exist, and bear testimony that duty still exists and is recognized as having value.


*POINTER* Trying to wait out your opponent is PvP, trying to make the game force them to leave is saying you cannot handle PvP. You apparently do not like the stalemate. yet you clearly prefer it over direct confrontation with your obviously PvP incapable mining and ratting ships.
So YOU and others like you made the obvious choice, and avoided the fight, thanks to Amazing Intel™. It was the only real choice you had, noone is questioning that. But don't blame the pilot wanting to PvP you, he is holding up his end of game play. Try questioning why hiding is your only option, and perhaps ask why you don't have defenders instead.
Do the math, high security space might be worth considering.

Only they're not affecting people in the game.

Eve is about options and choices, it's 100% your choice to do nothing just because a character exists in local.

Perhaps Solitaire is more your style of game?