Wormholes

neat idea though from a technical standpoint it would be a nightmare and tax the heck out of the servers having to track say 200,000 different ballistic controls.

perhaps instead of making the effect to items produced there maybe give the PoS in WH some kind of bonus to needing less minerals or the build faster based on the WH effect?

I had also considered something along the lines of what the OP was saying, but agree on the limitations inherent to such a system.

Still, it would be pretty sweet to be able to create slightly different blueprints from the standard fare. Those blueprints - the really good ones at least - would be extremely valuable and jealously guarded.

Industry sucks in WH's Why would anyone want to do more?

Are you stupid?

Ah Rek, all this time I thought you had actually followed through with your threat of putting me on your ignore list. I'm touched. really I am.

Maybe I am stupid. But it doesn't change the fact that currently industry is a major PITA in a WH. And as Oxandrolone brought up it is basically due to minerals.

T1 POS modules aren't bad, as they give a 25% boost to build time. T2 modules however have a built in waste factor, which makes them less desirable than using a station.

The kicker is minerals. You can mine grav sites in your WH. But grav sites are not a steady means of mining, as they show up as randomly as everything else in a WH. The kicker is what to do with that ore after.

You can refine it. But POS refining modules have a double whammy of suck. The best module is hard capped at 75%. So you are guaranteed to lose 25% to waste, even with a perfect refine trained toon. Second is they are SLOW. They can only refine a max of 200,000m3 of ore at a time. And it takes 3 hours to refine. So when you are in refining mode you have to babysit the thing, reloading and restarting every 3 hours.

Now I don't do much WH mining. Just a little to get the minerals I need for polymer reactions (at least when I can't find a k-space exit and there is nothing else to do). I only have retriever pilots, with T1 strip miners, as I never went past that level. But even they can mine about 150,000m3 per hour. So even my piddly little set of miners can outmine the refining arrays ability to refine.

OOO WAIT. I could build a rorqual and compress the ore. Well if you are serious about WH industry, you are likely going to want a WH with a k-space exit. Which means that Rorqual will have to be built inside. So what's that, maybe in total a 3bil isk investment? I wonder what the ROI on that investment is.

Ok fine! I'll just haul in my minerals. Most serious builders in empire don't mine their own minerals anyhow, as they need too much to keep production going. So in a WH with a k-space exit, your biggest hauler is going to be an orca. So when you get lucky enough to get an exit that doesnt suck (maybe only 10 jumps from a market hub) you can go pick up some minerals.

However, the best you will do is 4 round trips with the orca, before you collapse the hole. And the best you can do with the orca is about 150,000m3 of usable cargo space. So say 600,000m3 of minerals per WH connection. Big time builders bring in minerals by the freighter load...


So maybe I am stupid. But if I were into building stuff in EVE, I think I'd prefer to just stay in empire to do it.

Maybe someday if/when they update the POS system this might change, but I'm not holding my breath.

I did block you for a while but you have served your time and i'm willing to forgive and for get.

I don't think you are stupid, it's just that your first post claiming that industry in wormholes sucks wasn't very constructive considering the subject centers around improving industry, and not whether it's good or not.

Your second post was much better. If we ever get a pos revamp, CCP need to consider some of the issues you pointed out.

Well given this was the WH forums, I guess I wrongly assumed most people in here understood the crappy options available for industrialists living out of a POS, so I didn't realize I would need to elaborate so much.

I get the point of the OP, to introduce some WH only options for manufacturing. That could be cool. But the fundamental issue is that the basic requirements for any manufacturing, namely the aquisition of raw materials, is currently a major roadblock to trying to make stuff in WH's.

And I don't see this as arguing. So far IMO this has been a quite pleasant exchanging of ideas.

that's true on the itty5, especially if you are just talking minerals. The Orca is far better for big moves (also more dangerous) if ou also can use the ore hold, and ship array.

It's still a crap ton of hauling for little to no benefit vs just manufacturing in HS.

bump for the nice ideas proposed in the first post. not that wh industry needs any encouragement really.
also eve trading has a very thin marketing component that consists mainly in spamming hubs' local with your contracts. if players make the bricks in eve, they should be allowed in some way to brand them or even make them better somehow. this way indy guys may "pvp" themselves with their own specific tools.
anyway, thumbs up again for the great ideas. by far one of the most constructive posts i have read in the wh section.