EVE General Discussion

So you have already set your mind that if your alliance goes and claims a chunk of 0.0, you all will die and fail horribly.

And then you wonder if it's out of the question to do carve an empire for your alliance in 0.0.

Let me tell you something
With that mentality, yes it is.

If you want something you have to go after it. If you are expecting that someone will handle you and your alliance a place to live in 0.0, just because, you are gravely mistaken.

tldr HTFU - Except the OP has a valid point and this is not the be all and end all answer.

Why not dissect the reasons that is not possible for smaller alliances to carve their own little bit of SOV?

Possibilites

1. Supercaps / blobs

2. Access to nullsec (camps)

3. Nullsec Market and logistics


Find the actual deciding factors before looking for an answer fix it all answer.

It has to be done bit by bit - there is no cure all.


+1 OP btw

Man, i know where you are coming from.

Just yesterday I tried to Invade the State of Florida with 4 boy scouts and a swiss Army Knife, and then all of a sudden a U.S. Army Brigade Blobbed us (Hotdropped out of black hawk helicopters no less) and we couldn't take Sov. Then some Customs Agents camped us in the port and it was a mess.

Don't worry, I posted on the United Nations forum and told them real life was unbalanced, I expect action soon.

Go find a wormhole if you just want some space. Plenty of moons in them and no static enemies really, other W-space corps tend to mind their own business and the k-space connections change enough that you don't need to worry so much about extended campaigns.

Or go to NPC null, the stations there are open and the last time I was out in ORE space (last summer) there were no roving mobs destroying anyone in their territory. I saw a few gangs, but they were on the small side (under 15 ships) and a lot of solo pilots and small gangs of 3 or 4. I wouldn't try to put a POS out there...well if you had a 100 pilots you could prolly hold it well enough against the groups that I saw.

A lot of sov is working with the alliances and people around you; send out scouts, live out of your ORCA's for a while until you find a system that isn't all that important to anyone else and then make the owners pay more than it is worth to them to get it back. Practice taking sov in FW first, the mechanics and organization required are very similar. That will give you a feel for the structure grind.

Practice in incursions, develop tight knit fleets that know each other and their group roles. And you'll need a ton of ISK anyway to get set up, incursions are very dense faucet.

Can 5 or 10 guys go out and hold sov in null just by playing the MMO? I don't think so. But if you build relationships and can figure out when you need to fight and when you need to talk then you can carve out a nitch anywhere in Eve.

You could try diplomatically reaching out to an existing entity to see if they can find a place for you and yours among the starts.

Also its not 4/5ths of the map, all of claimable 0.0 is currently claimed, it stays claimed until somebody comes and takes it.

If you're young and starting up, your best bet is literally to touch base with a group and see if they can find a home for your small alliance.

Then grow.

What you have written applies only to larger blocks and not to a small alliance (or group of players if you like).
If a small alliance wants space they have to prove themselves and they will get some space eventually.

Sov needs a lot of things and not only the ability to take it, but also maintain (that is Logistics and not the possession of supers). A small alliance won't be able to do that unless they work with other alliances as a team (they can get some space too if they co operate with others).

I can see your point, and looks like 'working as intended'.

Of course the 'little guy' is always going to want a bigger piece of the pie, and I guess this works where alliances are concerned, but dont coalitions set the bar too high?

Not wanting to oversimplify things but its looking to be like war may be the only answer, but how can this happen when opposition can so easily stamped out way before it becomes a threat?

does that make sense?

exactly and thx for that post. one of the things i cant stand is the HTFU mentality or the bullshit that "your mindset is wrong" , self fullfilling prohecy crap. when a game cannot be played unless i use jabber / IRC, wake my members up at night and schedule my real life around it to gain access to the possibilities the game holds, the game is divided into more than casual and hardcore gamer classes, but into even more . into casual, hardcore and nothing else gamers.
its not that I want to take sov away from anyone. but for christ sakes...its space. theres gotta be more out there. why not being able to just find some more "promised land" out there ?

also... like I said i dont mind too mich aboput game mechanics.. but I am a fan of
-mass limits on cynos (like in WH´s)
-supers following their cynos (you have to commmit and cannot be used to just bridging anymore)
-increase fould costs for jump portals , depending on mass bridged
-a cyno jamming ship (see it as a cyno interdictor)
-something like proximity detection and depth charge mechanic for uncloaking / destroying cloaky ships (no afk cloaking anymore)

but this has nothing to do with the original post of course

What the hell are you talking about?
You think that supers or even capitals are deployed on every little chance of a fight?

You are wrong.
A small group of people can't defend a system (even a dead end one) against people that are willing to throw every ship they have to achieve their goal.

Slipping a ship in and lighting a cyno is easy. In fact the most probable thing that will happen is that the cyno won't lit before a huge proportion of your enemies have jumped into the system, thus locking your forces on the gate.

I would also like to remind you that holding a single system in 0.0 is worse than being all day in high sec doing level 4 mission.
Except of the constant fear of getting hot dropped, you won't be able to reap any of the profits you imagine that there are in 0.0 (and I am sure that you have a wild imagination, thus the sad face that you can't do that with your corp only).

EVE is a team game. The amount of things a team can achieve is proportional to the amount of people involved. When you understand this, you will realize that you can't play in your exclusive garden of Eden, because there is no way you will be able to keep the rest of the community outside of your garden.

Everyone started small. You shouldn't be looking at it as 'How can small alliances take sov?'. You should be thinking 'How can my small alliance be successful enough to be able to take and hold sov?'