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What to do with DUST? One month in already way bigger than EvE

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#41 - 2013-02-05 17:18:29 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Has there ever been a FPS game that has lasted more than 1 year, with any individual iteration?
Yes, there are oodles of FPS franchises that last a decade, but that is over 4 or 5 releases of the game.

The 2 key questions are:
1. how good this Dust will be retaining its players (not very good if you consider the industry track record)
2. how many people will try it in the first place. (there is a huge potential market of FPS players to work with)

Halo 4, one of the most successful franchises every, came out around Christmas, and sold around 4 million copies.
I think the question is how many of those Halo 4 players still pick up their 360's and play it on a very regular basis, 2 months later, 4 months later, 12 months later.

I strongly doubt Dust will have the staying power of Halo as a one-off iteration, or franchise.
I certainly hope Dust does not last, otherwise the predictions of Eve being treated as the red-headed step-child may happen.

I figure once the griefers figure out how to exploit the Dust mechanics to ruin gameplay for others, we will see a radical drop in participation for that game. But perhaps CCP has learned from the results in Eve, and will curtail such antics within Dust.

Actually you should check out the DUST forums. The devs have been pretty active in tuning things/balancing. Griefing is boring right now... not easy to do. It would take a wall of text to explain, but the tl;dr; version is people are trying to break the game right now and the devs are supporting this, so when it does come out of beta DUST will already be pretty well hardened to griefing and modders. I played all the Halos. I'm still playing 4. ...but yah DUST is going to have to really kick it up a notch or two if it want to make a real run at this. ...it's coming along though. It could do it...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Verfanny
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#42 - 2013-02-05 17:18:30 UTC
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#43 - 2013-02-05 17:24:30 UTC
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-02-05 17:26:19 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


At this point, CCP is probably going to have to do something incredibly braindead stupid to screw up.




RollRollwait and seeRollRoll

R.S.I2014

Ginger Barbarella
#45 - 2013-02-05 17:28:49 UTC
Not to be a naysayer, but ask yourself one question:

DUST, or Call of Duty?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-02-05 17:33:47 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE
Verfanny
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#47 - 2013-02-05 17:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Verfanny
I also see the possibility for a new form of gambling amongst EVE players. So let's say I hire some DUST players, and you do too. Then we bet on which team will win assaulting and defending an unimportant planet. This could be interesting.

Imagine when Dust hit sov related warfare. Whole planets as dedicated coliseum.
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-02-05 17:37:59 UTC
Revajin wrote:
..., the core of its gameplay, it just looks kind of bland. The environments are really uninteresting, the gunplay doesn't seem very good....


Kinda like orbiting anchor and hitting F1.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#49 - 2013-02-05 17:46:09 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE



And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.
Verfanny
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#50 - 2013-02-05 17:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Verfanny
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE



And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.


Regardless of his earlier positions on other matters, friendly fire disabled in a FPS is always bad. It destroy the sense of immersion.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#51 - 2013-02-05 17:54:13 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

Well, since orbital bombardment won't be available for random matches that rather makes the awoxer vulnerable to being kicked from corp after his first friendly fire escapade... just like in EvE.

Anything that allows the players to rage a bit and then deal with the issue effectively themselves isn't really an issue.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#52 - 2013-02-05 17:56:47 UTC
Verfanny wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE



And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.


Regardless of his earlier positions on other matters, friendly fire disabled in a FPS is always bad. It destroy the sense of immersion.

Because there are no such things as traitors, spy's, or saboteurs in reality...

The immersion breaking part is the other players inability to do anything about them, which won't be an issue in non-random matches.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#53 - 2013-02-05 19:54:11 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE



And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.


The more your type of player cries, the more EvE Online grows. It's a measure of the game success.

The some thing will happen in Dust.

The Tears Must Flow

fukier
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-02-05 20:19:30 UTC
Gogela wrote:
1.182 million DUST accounts already...

There has to be a way to make ISK off of them... wouldn't you think? Pirate


something about thier stuff being put on our market and we can make it or something...

you know a player run market...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
fukier
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-02-05 20:26:03 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Stetson Eagle wrote:
No worries, the closed beta vets have been able to drive the bulk of them away by pubstomping in unbeatable gear, accuracy and knowledge.

logged into some awesome dust map where you and the enemy spawn randomly around each other in a base with no rhyme or reason shooting each other except with my low SP all I could use was a gun with no sights or scope and it took me 3 seconds to turn around

i mean you're supposed to be some sort of super space soldier but when you start playing you move around like a fat sack of crap with guns that aim worse then modern equivalents. I assume this gets better once you start spending da aurum, but still - dang.


umm you in a heavy suit duder?


if you get the merc pack the scout suit is light and extreamly agile...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
fukier
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-02-05 20:32:18 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Docter Daniel Jackson wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Sure would be a shame if DUST had to go F2P.


It already is F2P...


Sarcasm is such a delicate artform.



they really need a font for that.
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#57 - 2013-02-05 21:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
1.195 DUST MERCs now... gaining player accounts at a rate of about 1,000 770 per hour. That's crazy. Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-02-05 23:10:20 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE



And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.

everyoen keeps saying DUST will take away from eve, but there are only 3 possible outcomes:
1) DUSt fails horribly, CCP admits a failed experiment, and cuts the umbilical cord to eve
2) Dust is only somewhat successful, so primary dev focus is on eve, adn Dust continues with tis current team ro a little less
3) DUST is surprisingly successful, CCP is raking in money, they hire more devs and equipment for both DUST and EvE, strengthen the inter-game connection

DUST will in no way EVER ruin eve, since EvE is what DUST is being designed around.

especially since no matter how big DUST gets, EvE is still 99% of the server that DUST is on.
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#59 - 2013-02-05 23:30:14 UTC
of course there is so many subscriber to Dust. They come to watch the pretty firework.

What Orbital bombardments look like from EVE online into Dust 514, recorded
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-02-05 23:40:59 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Verfanny wrote:
So, I haven't read much into DUST despite trying it a little in the CB but can you call an Orbital Bombardment on your positions? I mean, if a Dust player is also an EVE player providing support from his nearby computer, can he grief his own team? If so, I predict a lot of rage over that.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

glad to hear it - friendly fire disabled is anti-EVE


And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.

It's anti-EVE and anti-skill. In EVE you can't just take your bomber fleet and bomb the hell out of your tackle knowing the enemy will die and your allies won't. It adds balance, dimension and skill to using a bomber fleet knowing you could actually kill your own fleet instantly if bombing carelessly. Contrast that with the DUST closed beta (which I played) where the people dominating the killboard were using milita aircraft with infinite AoE rockets to bombard the battlefield with little regard if their rockets landed right on their teammates' heads as long as the enemy was within proximity of the blast. Friendly fire is the diffence between tactical decisions being made and "spray and praying" wildly into a crowd of your teammates hoping to rack up kill points.