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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#21 - 2013-02-05 10:34:12 UTC
intellectually superior wrote:
good job ccp for completely breaking the game with factional warfare...

I just found out that with factional warfare you can make 100x what you can with anything else... so unbalanced.... mining, trading/hauling, pvp, industry, missions, and ratting is now all obsolete.


Oh please... FW income was overpowered after Inferno but now is in line with other activities in the game and far to be the most profitable.

A FW plex income is in the same range as a low sec radar exploration site. Yes, an exploration site requires a bit more time and a specialized ship but on the other side the chance to be killed or interrupted in FW sites are far higher, so are balanced.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-02-05 11:20:15 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
[quote=Generals4]Both militias sitting at t2 is rare, but even in your 90m ISK/h example (more realistically 75m isk/h as large plexes are rare) the OP's "a plex a day" benchmark would be achievable.

My point is not that plexing is super profitable (although the first week after amarr hit t3 was very profitable for me) but that "a plex a day" is not imbalanced or extraordinary.


In 6 hours you can make enough money to buy two plex collecting empty soda cans on the street, and you will probably have more fun then sitting alone in a warfare complex in a warp core stabed frig.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
ChaseX
The Executives
#23 - 2013-02-05 11:42:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ChaseX
FeralShadow wrote:
I'm sorry that we make more than you.

You know, we only get blown up nearly every day.



What he said. Comparing care-null or mission running with FW is a bit, stupid.

dexington wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
[quote=Generals4]Both militias sitting at t2 is rare, but even in your 90m ISK/h example (more realistically 75m isk/h as large plexes are rare) the OP's "a plex a day" benchmark would be achievable.

My point is not that plexing is super profitable (although the first week after amarr hit t3 was very profitable for me) but that "a plex a day" is not imbalanced or extraordinary.


In 6 hours you can make enough money to buy two plex collecting empty soda cans on the street, and you will probably have more fun then sitting alone in a warfare complex in a warp core stabed frig.


Oh and this is also true. Better get a job and pay a FRACTURE of your income to get ISK instead of working 5h a day just to buy PLEX / important stuff.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-05 11:52:32 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here & say some guy who has never left highsec told you about the old mechanics, being completely unaware that it was changed awhile back. Did he also tell you that during the battle of Asakai a titan pilot used his DD to blow everyone up on grid?


DD could never blow up everyone on grid in low sec. Prior to Dominion, they were AoE, 0.0 only, after Dominion they were single target low and 0.0, then shortly after, changed to work only with 0.0 again.

I'm just sayin... 0:)
Generals4
#25 - 2013-02-05 11:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Vera Algaert wrote:

2k isk/lp is achievable if you have some patience in selling the items (and spread your lp across different items).

1k isk/lp is the "no effort" lp conversion rate (ships, faction ammo, datacores, ...) which is why I used it in my example.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ is very helpful.

Both militias sitting at t2 is rare, but even in your 90m ISK/h example (more realistically 75m isk/h as large plexes are rare) the OP's "a plex a day" benchmark would be achievable.

My point is not that plexing is super profitable (although the first week after amarr hit t3 was very profitable for me) but that "a plex a day" is not imbalanced or extraordinary.

(and if you really want to do FW for ISK then you should move your alts between militias to chase high payout tiers, not sit in a t2 militia and sulk)


Here is the problem. Items with 2k isk/lp or more are usually niche items which have been overlooked by your standard farmer. This results in a very slow cash flow because your items won't sell fast. But on top of that those niche markets are very easily flooded. This severely limits the amount of items you can pump in it. Even if you diversify you risk flooding your own markets. And than comes the risk that someone else spots the bargain and starts competing with you. This all makes it hard to sustain a 2k isk/lp ratio with FW LP store items. While it is possible it involves luck and being a part time trader.

1k isk/lp however is much more sutainable and as such i believe it is a fair ratio to use when valuing the income of FW.

And whether two factions having T2 is rare has yet to be determined. the new tier system has been released quite recently.

PS: i would also like to note that by using the website you linked according to the jita buy orders the calmil barely has any items that sell above 1k isk/lp and none come close to 2k isk/lp.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-02-05 12:43:51 UTC
FeralShadow wrote:
I'm sorry that we make more than you.

You know, we only get blown up nearly every day.




Tell us more about low SP alts in cheapo throw away frigates getting blown up once a day.

It looks very frustrating to loose some million iskies from several billions won per week. Lol

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#27 - 2013-02-05 15:32:34 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
intellectually superior wrote:
I hope ccp understands that now that it is possible to make enough isk for a plex in one day that nobody will ever need to buy game time again..

Where does this idea that buying a PLEX on the market with ISK somehow deprives CCP of money come from? Why do so many people think this?

It's mind-bogglingly stupid.


Didn't you know that CCP seeds PLEX on the market & buying PLEX is sanctioned RMT?

The tin foil is strong with this one.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#28 - 2013-02-05 15:52:13 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
FeralShadow wrote:
I'm sorry that we make more than you.

You know, we only get blown up nearly every day.




Tell us more about low SP alts in cheapo throw away frigates getting blown up once a day.

It looks very frustrating to loose some million iskies from several billions won per week. Lol

Since the more lucurative farming is usually done in well equiped stealth bombers that point isn't exactly valid.

Also, if you are talking about the less lucurative PLEXing, I don't believe that is best done with cheap speed tanking frigates anymore... but I'll admit I haven't paid close attention to that aspect of FW for awhile.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2013-02-05 17:07:27 UTC
Ah, I have so missed the 'FW is horribly broken WTG CCP!' threads.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Orlacc
#30 - 2013-02-05 17:21:57 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
intellectually superior wrote:
I hope ccp understands that now that it is possible to make enough isk for a plex in one day that nobody will ever need to buy game time again..

Where does this idea that buying a PLEX on the market with ISK somehow deprives CCP of money come from? Why do so many people think this?

It's mind-bogglingly stupid.


Didn't you know that CCP seeds PLEX on the market & buying PLEX is sanctioned RMT?


Please refer me to your source for seeding.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-02-05 18:46:37 UTC
So because other people make more money than you do,
there's no point in doing what you're doing ?

Stupid ? o_O
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#32 - 2013-02-05 18:52:19 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
So because other people make more money than you do,
there's no point in doing what you're doing ?

Stupid ? o_O

Quite right. Others are doing what I want to do, and doing it better. All my ISK are taint!
Must go sit and pout in corner.

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Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-05 18:57:30 UTC
intellectually superior wrote:
good job ccp for completely breaking the game with factional warfare...

I just found out that with factional warfare you can make 100x what you can with anything else... so unbalanced.... mining, trading/hauling, pvp, industry, missions, and ratting is now all obsolete.

I enjoy trading, mining, and industry but now there is no point.

I hope ccp understands that now that it is possible to make enough isk for a plex in one day that nobody will ever need to buy game time again..

lvl 5 missions at least you needed to risk an expensive ship, now you can fly a rifter doing plexes and make more than somebody doing lvl 5 missions.


I am now going to proceed to become a pirate and kill any person I find plexing Twisted


You do realize that PLEXes have been bought by someone, don't you?
intellectually superior
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-05 18:59:29 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:


You do realize that PLEXes have been bought by someone, don't you?


I DO NOW Blink
Hixeppa
Shamrock Corp.
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#35 - 2013-02-05 19:01:56 UTC
How is 100M/hour good.
XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing
Phantom-Recon
#36 - 2013-02-05 19:16:45 UTC
This is nothing new. They did the same with incursions. Incentive to make a lot of isk to get people doing them. This is why thry made FW so profitable. Just wait till DUST is fully implemented across all of EVE and players can benefit from destroying competitor's facilities that are using up the resources. People will complain about the impacts of that too just like people complained about Incursions.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-02-05 22:17:31 UTC
dexington wrote:
FeralShadow wrote:
I'm sorry that we make more than you.

You know, we only get blown up nearly every day.

The sad thing is that if you just want to make isk, you fly something with warp core stabs and run away when someone warps in to the plex. The people who pvp and lose ships, make a lot less isk then the complex farmers.


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-05 22:18:50 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here & say some guy who has never left highsec told you about the old mechanics, being completely unaware that it was changed awhile back. Did he also tell you that during the battle of Asakai a titan pilot used his DD to blow everyone up on grid?


DD could never blow up everyone on grid in low sec. Prior to Dominion, they were AoE, 0.0 only, after Dominion they were single target low and 0.0, then shortly after, changed to work only with 0.0 again.

I'm just sayin... 0:)


I know this, you know this, but most highsec people don't know this while claiming to know.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-05 22:19:43 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
intellectually superior wrote:
I hope ccp understands that now that it is possible to make enough isk for a plex in one day that nobody will ever need to buy game time again..

Where does this idea that buying a PLEX on the market with ISK somehow deprives CCP of money come from? Why do so many people think this?

It's mind-bogglingly stupid.


Didn't you know that CCP seeds PLEX on the market & buying PLEX is sanctioned RMT?


Please refer me to your source for seeding.


Highsec publord PLEX rage. If someone from highsec said it then it's obviously true!

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#40 - 2013-02-05 22:21:40 UTC
intellectually superior wrote:
I just found out that with factional warfare you can make 100x what you can with anything else... so unbalanced.... mining, trading/hauling, pvp, industry, missions, and ratting is now all obsolete.


May I kindly suggest that you're ******* terrible at trading, hauling, PVP, industry, missions, and ratting?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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