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Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-11 10:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
NOT APPLICABLE ANYMORE Evil

Guys, look you need to start getting past the I WIN button, Carriers were changed so that they were a logistics type ship not a OMGPWN ship... Your not supposed to be using them for offensive duties! They are there for support and reps and logistics!

These changes are the best thing CCP have done for a while. No more super/titan blobs on sub caps, no more i win button, no more lets field hundred supers and that's it. This does balance things out, yes there are still a few tweaks and I personally want to see offensive capabilities of supers/titans removed from low sec.

So back to your carriers, if you want to kill sub caps, that either shooting your caps or just shooting other sub caps then your supposed to bring - wait for it - ah yes you guessed it - ANOTHER SUB CAP FLEET - taaaa daaaa

The point of the change is that carriers and scs cant just kill every damn thing around, you still have offensive capabilities that will kill BS size ships, but now you gonna have think a bit more before you undock that carrier/super.
Because one thing for sure is damn annoying is yor in your sub cap fleet hoping for a fight, and then people undock 10 carriers! really!!??.....Boring....

Bravo CCP....about bloody time....
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#2 - 2011-10-11 10:44:27 UTC
Thanks for sharing

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Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-11 10:45:54 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
Thanks for sharing



I just felt i needed to clear that up Big smile
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-11 10:47:28 UTC
Logistics ships get DPS nerf?
UNIMAGINABLE
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#5 - 2011-10-11 10:51:12 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Guys, look you need to start getting past the I WIN button, Carriers were changed so that they were a logistics type ship not a OMGPWN ship... Your not supposed to be using them for offensive duties! They are there for support and reps and logistics!

These changes are the best thing CCP have done for a while. No more super/titan blobs on sub caps, no more i win button, no more lets field hundred supers and that's it. This does balance things out, yes there are still a few tweaks and I personally want to see offensive capabilities of supers/titans removed from low sec.

So back to your carriers, if you want to kill sub caps, that either shooting your caps or just shooting other sub caps then your supposed to bring - wait for it - ah yes you guessed it - ANOTHER SUB CAP FLEET - taaaa daaaa

The point of the change is that carriers and scs cant just kill every damn thing around, you still have offensive capabilities that will kill BS size ships, but now you gonna have think a bit more before you undock that carrier/super.
Because one thing for sure is damn annoying is yor in your sub cap fleet hoping for a fight, and then people undock 10 carriers! really!!??.....Boring....

Bravo CCP....about bloody time....






carriers never could kill everything around. they are currently balanced v dreads and bs's and other sub caps. they have a roll based on the race specific bonses. and if they wernt ment to be offensive, they need to have the following bonses changed somewhat.
Gallente Carrier Skill Bonuses:
50% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level
5% bonus to deployed Fighters’ damage per level-----------------------------------rep amount is a good trade off
99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules
Can fit Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules
Can deploy 1 additional Fighter or Drone per level----------------------------------rep range/amount
200% bonus to Fighter control range--------------------------------------------------- + 100% hp when in triarge.

that would work

OMG when can i get a pic here
AureoLion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-11 10:51:42 UTC
MATH EXISTS
USE IT
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-10-11 10:54:17 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Guys, look you need to start getting past the I WIN button, Carriers were changed so that they were a logistics type ship not a OMGPWN ship... Your not supposed to be using them for offensive duties! They are there for support and reps and logistics!

These changes are the best thing CCP have done for a while. No more super/titan blobs on sub caps, no more i win button, no more lets field hundred supers and that's it. This does balance things out, yes there are still a few tweaks and I personally want to see offensive capabilities of supers/titans removed from low sec.

So back to your carriers, if you want to kill sub caps, that either shooting your caps or just shooting other sub caps then your supposed to bring - wait for it - ah yes you guessed it - ANOTHER SUB CAP FLEET - taaaa daaaa

The point of the change is that carriers and scs cant just kill every damn thing around, you still have offensive capabilities that will kill BS size ships, but now you gonna have think a bit more before you undock that carrier/super.
Because one thing for sure is damn annoying is yor in your sub cap fleet hoping for a fight, and then people undock 10 carriers! really!!??.....Boring....

Bravo CCP....about bloody time....






carriers never could kill everything around. they are currently balanced v dreads and bs's and other sub caps. they have a roll based on the race specific bonses. and if they wernt ment to be offensive, they need to have the following bonses changed somewhat.
Gallente Carrier Skill Bonuses:
50% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level
5% bonus to deployed Fighters’ damage per level-----------------------------------rep amount is a good trade off
99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules
Can fit Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules
Can deploy 1 additional Fighter or Drone per level----------------------------------rep range/amount
200% bonus to Fighter control range--------------------------------------------------- + 100% hp when in triarge.

that would work


I think thats reasonable....
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#8 - 2011-10-11 10:56:45 UTC
its ok fighters arnt getting chnaged now if i coudl link teh pot i woudl ******* **** forums

dev blog page 47 post 931 ccp tallest

Quote:
#931 Posted: 2011.10.11 10:51 | Report Like In this thread, I've read several very good reasons why the fighter change is a bad idea. You are right. Fighters should stay the way they are. The change would be unfair for carriers.

The poor performance of Minmatar capital ships is being looked at and was already being looked at before the blog was posted.

Pointing out flaws and issues with the balancing plan is very much appreciated. I will look into the issues and make changes where they are needed.

Once this hits SISI, I will start a thread in the test server feedback forums. Your concerns will be listened to and acted upon if necessary.

OMG when can i get a pic here
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-11 11:00:24 UTC
forget it guys you got your wish CCP have bowed to the carrier blob pressure and decided to back track...what a JOKE!!!

I know whilst your at it CCP scrap the whole change, lets jsut have supercaps online. No back bone at all..

Ill take the well done CCP back now...useless.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#10 - 2011-10-11 11:02:46 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
forget it guys you got your wish CCP have bowed to the carrier blob pressure and decided to back track...what a JOKE!!!

I know whilst your at it CCP scrap the whole change, lets jsut have supercaps online. No back bone at all..

Ill take the well done CCP back now...useless.



change to supers fine, but screwing a ship class that is currently balanced v dreads and bs's make as much sence as your hate for carriers

OMG when can i get a pic here
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-11 11:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
forget it guys you got your wish CCP have bowed to the carrier blob pressure and decided to back track...what a JOKE!!!

I know whilst your at it CCP scrap the whole change, lets jsut have supercaps online. No back bone at all..

Ill take the well done CCP back now...useless.



change to supers fine, but screwing a ship class that is currently balanced v dreads and bs's make as much sence as your hate for carriers



I dont have any hate for carriers at all.. What will happen now is we shall see the carrier blob, instead on the super carrier blob..

Ill say it again - CARRIERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOGISTICS SHIPS NOT OFFENSIVE SHIPS .
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#12 - 2011-10-11 11:13:00 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
forget it guys you got your wish CCP have bowed to the carrier blob pressure and decided to back track...what a JOKE!!!

I know whilst your at it CCP scrap the whole change, lets jsut have supercaps online. No back bone at all..

Ill take the well done CCP back now...useless.



change to supers fine, but screwing a ship class that is currently balanced v dreads and bs's make as much sence as your hate for carriers



I dont have any hate for carriers at all.. What will happen now is we shall see the carrier blob, instead on the super carrier blob...



no we wont, carriers can still be insta popped by sc's. that hasnt chnaged and rightly so.

but unbalancing a ship that is very well balanced currently is stupid. i dont understand why you think carriers are over powered?

OMG when can i get a pic here
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-11 11:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
forget it guys you got your wish CCP have bowed to the carrier blob pressure and decided to back track...what a JOKE!!!

I know whilst your at it CCP scrap the whole change, lets jsut have supercaps online. No back bone at all..

Ill take the well done CCP back now...useless.



change to supers fine, but screwing a ship class that is currently balanced v dreads and bs's make as much sence as your hate for carriers



I dont have any hate for carriers at all.. What will happen now is we shall see the carrier blob, instead on the super carrier blob...



no we wont, carriers can still be insta popped by sc's. that hasnt chnaged and rightly so.

but unbalancing a ship that is very well balanced currently is stupid. i dont understand why you think carriers are over powered?


not carriers as a whole, your right carriers are fine , i mean fighters...and with respect not everyone has supers..anyway its not relevant now mate...
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#14 - 2011-10-11 11:19:14 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
forget it guys you got your wish CCP have bowed to the carrier blob pressure and decided to back track...what a JOKE!!!

I know whilst your at it CCP scrap the whole change, lets jsut have supercaps online. No back bone at all..

Ill take the well done CCP back now...useless.



change to supers fine, but screwing a ship class that is currently balanced v dreads and bs's make as much sence as your hate for carriers



I dont have any hate for carriers at all.. What will happen now is we shall see the carrier blob, instead on the super carrier blob...



no we wont, carriers can still be insta popped by sc's. that hasnt chnaged and rightly so.

but unbalancing a ship that is very well balanced currently is stupid. i dont understand why you think carriers are over powered?


not carriers as a whole, your right carriers are fine , i mean fighters...and with respect not everyone has supers..


so what is it taht makes fighters over powered?
they dont apply full damage to bc's even with a full passive set up and a massive sig.
they apply nearly full damage to bs's rightly so.
so why are fighters over powered?

OMG when can i get a pic here
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-11 11:24:39 UTC


I think you treating this as one single fighter... yes a fighter on its own isnt overpowered. But carriers deploy what 9+ on a single target...its a bit different then. I know what your trying to get at, and thats fair enough. My issue was people whining about the change, as if carriers should of been used as an offensive ship, thats not their role.

Whats annoying is eve has becoming caps/supers online. Where people can have 100+ carriers/supers/titans at once and thats it, nothing else. Its like one big giant i win button...and its killing eve..
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-11 11:26:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Fina
Agree on the patch changes except this one and it's tiresome to see mindless idiots like the OP who doesn't realize that this change shouldn't go thru.

Some of you are so damn spiteful about this you got to ask yourself how this reflect upon you as a person
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-11 11:29:17 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Agree on the patch changes except this one and it's tiresome to see mindless idiots like the OP who doesn't realize that this change shouldn't go thru.

Some of you are so damn spiteful about this you got to ask yourself how this reflect upon you as a person


i im sick of mindless idiots like yourself crying because they have to use a carrier for what its role is - oh wait ..you dont anymore...whine over
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#18 - 2011-10-11 11:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
Just Another Toon wrote:


I think you treating this as one single fighter... yes a fighter on its own isnt overpowered. But carriers deploy what 9+ on a single target...its a bit different then. I know what your trying to get at, and thats fair enough. My issue was people whining about the change, as if carriers should of been used as an offensive ship, thats not their role.

Whats annoying is eve has becoming caps/supers online. Where people can have 100+ carriers/supers/titans at once and thats it, nothing else. Its like one big giant i win button...and its killing eve..



i can with dcu field 14 fighters. 10 with just skills.
this is the same as it was back before the scap blob. pre dec 2009. and they wernt over powered then and they arnt now.

the balance to scaps has been adressed and with the log off mechanic more will die.

the ship that needs a lot more love is dreads.

while the fear of caps online is understandible, it shouldnt be a reason to effectivly break a balanced ship class. whos role is is logistics as well as race specific. min for pos's gal for dps amarr for triarge caldari mmmm ratting..lol

OMG when can i get a pic here
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-11 11:34:01 UTC
tbh mate, it dont matter now..its not getting changed....thread is irrelavant now...
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-11 11:34:24 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
Agree on the patch changes except this one and it's tiresome to see mindless idiots like the OP who doesn't realize that this change shouldn't go thru.

Some of you are so damn spiteful about this you got to ask yourself how this reflect upon you as a person


i im sick of mindless idiots like yourself crying because they have to use a carrier for what its role is - oh wait ..you dont anymore...whine over


Have never flown a carrier, have never thought of getting one and last time i flew in a gang with a carrier in it was like 5 years ago.

so yeah... you are as fail as your thread.
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