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A Declaration on Faith and Hope
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Vikarion
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-02-06 01:55:45 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
John Revenent wrote:


That being said, I-RED will be continuing its efforts along side Provist forces in Black Rise to ensure the stability and liberties of State citizens are kept intact. The words of Captain Lavius are in fact his own and Ishukone-Raata will continue to respect his rights as a individual to speak out, though they do not officially reflect our organization as a whole.


In, or out, dear?

You can't have it both ways.



Caldari militia forces are not provists.

The violation of Ishukone employees by extra-corporate forces is intolerable. Whether Patriot, Practical, or Liberal, the corporations come before the Providence Directorate. I cannot speak for the entirety of the State Protectorate, but the majority do not fight for Heth. The CEP is the leader of the State, and of the State Protectorate, and Heth and his provists serve at the discretion of the CEP.

Actions not in line with this view will not have our support.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#42 - 2013-02-06 02:02:53 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
John Revenent wrote:


... I-RED will be continuing its efforts along side Provist forces in Black Rise...

Caldari militia forces are not provists.


Of course not.

The Taisho was only speaking to emphasize that this will not detract from our support of those in the militia who happen to be Provists, simply because the CPD attacked us. He is not meaning to point out that the Caldari Militia are inherently Provist.

Just because the State Protectorate is the brainchild of Tibus Heth does not mean all those who serve in its capacity are Provist by nature.

Katrina Oniseki
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#43 - 2013-02-06 03:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Silas Vitalia wrote:
John Revenent wrote:


That being said, I-RED will be continuing its efforts along side Provist forces in Black Rise to ensure the stability and liberties of State citizens are kept intact. The words of Captain Lavius are in fact his own and Ishukone-Raata will continue to respect his rights as a individual to speak out, though they do not officially reflect our organization as a whole.


In, or out, dear?

You can't have it both ways.



An apt assessment Dread Lady. If decisiveness is the measure, then Heth is bound to win.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-02-06 03:11:10 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
John Revenent wrote:


... I-RED will be continuing its efforts along side Provist forces in Black Rise...

Caldari militia forces are not provists.


Of course not.

The Taisho was only speaking to emphasize that this will not detract from our support of those in the militia who happen to be Provists, simply because the CPD attacked us. He is not meaning to point out that the Caldari Militia are inherently Provist.

Just because the State Protectorate is the brainchild of Tibus Heth does not mean all those who serve in its capacity are Provist by nature.


One cannot have a revolution by choosing which part of the government to support. All or none. Is it worth sacrificing Black Rise to the Gallente to get rid of Heth? If not, then shut up and toe the line.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Vectra Sharpe
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-06 03:22:41 UTC
I-I must admit... my knowledge of the State's inner workings is very limited, but I would like to express my deepest condolences for the families and friends of those who lost their lives in the tragedy on Malkalen V during the unrest. I really hope that something changes soon. There has been so much conflict in the State being reported on in the news recently... I hope no one else has to lose their lives to the chaos taking place there.

*Takes a deep breath during an awkward pause in the transmission*

If there is anything... anything at all, that I can do to help, please feel free to contact me. I am not as well off as some of you, but I will do what I can if it means saving innocent lives....

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-02-06 03:25:44 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
John Revenent wrote:


... I-RED will be continuing its efforts along side Provist forces in Black Rise...

Caldari militia forces are not provists.


Of course not.

The Taisho was only speaking to emphasize that this will not detract from our support of those in the militia who happen to be Provists, simply because the CPD attacked us. He is not meaning to point out that the Caldari Militia are inherently Provist.

Just because the State Protectorate is the brainchild of Tibus Heth does not mean all those who serve in its capacity are Provist by nature.


One cannot have a revolution by choosing which part of the government to support. All or none. Is it worth sacrificing Black Rise to the Gallente to get rid of Heth? If not, then shut up and toe the line.


The CEP were the ones who battered the Gallente into a ceasefire in the last war, they are perfectly capable of prosecuting this one. The State is no one man, not even Heth. We will fight the Gallente and Roden with or without Heth - our homeworld is ours by right with or without Heth.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#47 - 2013-02-06 04:16:11 UTC
I've been silently trying to make out whats been going on the past few weeks, and I still don't know what to make of it. I may have not grown up inside the Caldari State, but its as much my home as the Kingdom was and its disheartening to watch it being torn apart from the inside by the very people the Caldari State entrusted to protect it.

We should all remember, especially the Provists under Tibus Heth, that we the peopleARE the State. Every obligation the citizenship is expected to meet demands the same response from the corporations whom they support. Every action taken against the people of the State will be repaid in the merit it was delivered. Heth should understand that well enough.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#48 - 2013-02-06 04:26:01 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
One cannot have a revolution by choosing which part of the government to support. All or none. Is it worth sacrificing Black Rise to the Gallente to get rid of Heth? If not, then shut up and toe the line.

Heth and the CPD is the revolution. All this unrest is what I understand to be called the counter-revolution.

Plenty of Caldari and jagii don't seem to understand that.

CONCORD's rapid security classification process and the needs of the Emergency Militia War Powers Act put Black Rise within the reach of the Federation. KK and Wirykomi have lots of assets spread across the cluster including the Federation; Black Rise is a small segment of their portfolios.

The question becomes, when the dust actually settles, has anything really changed? More often than not, based on numerous historical examples, the answer is no.

Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-02-06 04:46:26 UTC
Dex Nederland wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
One cannot have a revolution by choosing which part of the government to support. All or none. Is it worth sacrificing Black Rise to the Gallente to get rid of Heth? If not, then shut up and toe the line.

Heth and the CPD is the revolution. All this unrest is what I understand to be called the counter-revolution.

Plenty of Caldari and jagii don't seem to understand that.

CONCORD's rapid security classification process and the needs of the Emergency Militia War Powers Act put Black Rise within the reach of the Federation. KK and Wirykomi have lots of assets spread across the cluster including the Federation; Black Rise is a small segment of their portfolios.

The question becomes, when the dust actually settles, has anything really changed? More often than not, based on numerous historical examples, the answer is no.


Nederland-haan, it's been too long. You are correct, this could be called the counter-revolution. I fear though, the State that I grew up in, that you did, is gone. The future of the Caldari people is to move forward, not go back. It's time for the State to dissolve and form a new government, one suited to this new age of immortals.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#50 - 2013-02-06 04:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
In reply to a particularly irritating half-Goon:

I'll be sure to let you all know when we change our official stance based on the whims and opinions of posters on the IGS.

Katrina Oniseki
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#51 - 2013-02-06 05:07:19 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I fear though, the State that I grew up in, that you did, is gone. The future of the Caldari people is to move forward, not go back. It's time for the State to dissolve and form a new government, one suited to this new age of immortals.


I am grinning right now.

I do not think of the CEP, CBT, or CN as government, but the collective tools of corporations with common cause and cultural heritage. SWA, STI, SAK, and the STPRO are as well.

The Caldari people and the Caldari Empyreans are very different things, but then I am beginning to sound like one of my favorite former guri.

Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-02-06 05:08:22 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
In reply to a particularly irritating half-Goon:

I'll be sure to let you all know when we change our official stance based on the whims and opinions of posters on the IGS.


Lesa a stance and more of a tightrope walk, and oh-so-very-far to fall should you choose poorly!

But walk it skillfully and you'll resist any amount of wind, no matter from which direction.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#53 - 2013-02-06 05:18:03 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
In reply to a particularly irritating half-Goon:

I'll be sure to let you all know when we change our official stance based on the whims and opinions of posters on the IGS.


Lesa a stance and more of a tightrope walk, and oh-so-very-far to fall should you choose poorly!

But walk it skillfully and you'll resist any amount of wind, no matter from which direction.



Well, walking a tightrope is all about maintaining a proper stance, is it not?

Regardless, I understand if jaijii and hnolku fail to understand how simple it is for us to continue assisting our capsuleer allies in the warzone while also disavowing the personal opinions of Korbin Lavius. While we must support his civil right to have an opinion, we are not going to simply throw away our agreements because he decided to hold an ill considered political rally.

Keep in mind, Ishuk-Raata has only spoken out against the attack on corporate sovereignty. That's it.

Now please, stop trying to complicate the simple.

Katrina Oniseki
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-02-06 06:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Dex Nederland wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I fear though, the State that I grew up in, that you did, is gone. The future of the Caldari people is to move forward, not go back. It's time for the State to dissolve and form a new government, one suited to this new age of immortals.


I am grinning right now.

I do not think of the CEP, CBT, or CN as government, but the collective tools of corporations with common cause and cultural heritage. SWA, STI, SAK, and the STPRO are as well.

The Caldari people and the Caldari Empyreans are very different things, but then I am beginning to sound like one of my favorite former guri.


It's time to tear it down, all of it. Rather than adapting old systems to the new times, totally redesign a system of governance for the Caldari people. Get rid of the Megacorps, the archaic constructs that have been built up over time. Radical? Yes. But, necessary. We've entered a new era in humanity. Let us embrace it.

Once you separate the Caldari people from the tools that control them, in your mind, things suddenly become more clear.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#55 - 2013-02-06 06:31:46 UTC
What in the taisaan is going on in my region?? CPD attacking Ishuk-raata? i'd like to know by who's order. if it had been riot wouldn't that be be corporate police forces or internal security's business. this worries me first Vellaine mess now this
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#56 - 2013-02-06 06:52:46 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:


It's time to tear it down, all of it. Rather than adapting old systems to the new times, totally redesign a system of governance for the Caldari people. Get rid of the Megacorps, the archaic constructs that have been built up over time. Radical? Yes. But, necessary. We've entered a new era in humanity. Let us embrace it.

Once you separate the Caldari people from the tools that control them, in your mind, things suddenly become more clear.



Our "old systems" have jumped every "new" hurdle for thousands of years. Why should we suddenly change it now?

It seems someone is long overdue for a trip to the peaks to feel the winter chill. Maybe then you'll remember how it all works...

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Marcus Horalen
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-02-06 16:05:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Horalen
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Our "old systems" have jumped every "new" hurdle for thousands of years. Why should we suddenly change it now?

It seems someone is long overdue for a trip to the peaks to feel the winter chill. Maybe then you'll remember how it all works...


Our current system is failing us, as it failed us before. By jumping these hurdles, as you say, the Caldari state has fallen into a stagnant position in intergalactic politics and we have become weak. While some remnants of the old Caldari tradition must be maintained, I disagree that we may proceed along a path of greatness by bearing our teeth and leaning into the proverbial wind.

Are you aware of the phrase "a bull in a china shop"?

 @MHoralen
Raphael Ordo
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2013-02-06 17:30:26 UTC
I am not surprised that this would be coming from an Ishukone loyalist.
The State has never been as the Ishukone would want it to be. Still, it is second in being the best place of habitat in the galaxy. But without straight prejudice, the Ishukone Corporation's ties with the Gallente cannot be denied. Neither their well-established and all to liberal views.
The ideas, loyalty and ideology in this post is honourable. But at some point, one should not take these as something consistent.

In any case,
As a former citizen of the Caldari State, I have felt all these feelings.
I have since then oblitirated them in favour of my calling to the Empire.

Dictatorship does not necessarily result in development, defined by human well-being(which incorporates education, health, income, and safety from internal and external threats)and even by personal discipline. Furthermore, there is no conclusive evidence proving that either dictatorship nor democracy cause development.

The problem is not the man alone. Complete human formation is solution to dictatorship of relativism
Tibus Heth is also a non-capsuleer. Thus his time is limited. His reign has given the Caldari more than they could've hoped.

Our immortal bodies will take us to a time without Heth, weither we want it or not.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2013-02-06 21:00:44 UTC
Dex Nederland wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Was the Treaty signed by the CEP in the name of the CEP, or by the CEP in the name of the Caldari State ? I would genuinely like to know.


Can you rephrase the question? The CEP is the State entity that manages international affairs impacting the whole of the Caldari State; the Caldari State being the megacorporations, corporations, and their subsidiaries.


You answered to my question, actually.

Either the State does not recognize the CPD, or either the CPD actions were backed by the State when the strike on Luminaire happened.
Marcus Horalen
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-02-06 21:08:13 UTC
Ms. Farel, would you be referring to the One Day War?

 @MHoralen