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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#41 - 2013-02-05 15:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Would be awesome if you were to supply that information on the 'options' available.


When it comes to real life ongoing serious legal matters, it's generally advised not to discuss such things on an internet forum.


The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.

That was your chance to do something constructive for the community.

A worthless end to a worthless thread.

Signing out due to lack of intelligent content.

o7

Ill just leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying
http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Cyber_threat

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-02-05 15:47:19 UTC
The options available to him should someone harass his family include such things as restraining orders and pressing charges.

That seems like legal matters to me.

Yim, part of this game is other people interfering with your game play. Not accepting it is like not accepting that your opponent can charge you rent when you land on his property in Monopoly. When you get charged rent in Monopoly that's not bullying.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Fabio Bittar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-02-05 15:50:24 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Would be awesome if you were to supply that information on the 'options' available.


When it comes to real life ongoing serious legal matters, it's generally advised not to discuss such things on an internet forum.


The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.

That was your chance to do something constructive for the community.

A worthless end to a worthless thread.

Signing out due to lack of intelligent content.

o7

Ill just leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying
http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Cyber_threat


Am I the only one who is 100% sure Yim Sei is the same crazed guy we're talking about here... like, this is very obvious and this person is mentally unstable.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#44 - 2013-02-05 15:56:20 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.


Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#45 - 2013-02-05 16:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.


Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.


Hang on a minute, am I reading this right?

You are accusing me of threatening you in real life?

Is this what you are saying?
You and the goon in the post above?

Oh dude this is so funny I cant believe it.

I try to offer an opinion on a thread where some nutter trolls you through the internetz ...and you have no clue what to do so accuse me?
Did you actually read any of my posts or just fail troll them?
I simply outlined that everything which upsets people can have real world consequences.

******* idiot lol

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-02-05 16:15:04 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.


Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.


The guy is a clown for calling you out of game or contacting your friends.

Out of curiosity, what did he contact people with? I don't know the countries involved, but simply making a phone call or making unsolicited communication are not crimes in of themselves. His communications don't appear threatening to me, though that is a matter of opinion.

Defamation, libel or slander don't apply.

Ordering Pizza to your house can be construed as defrauding the restaurant and possibly identity theft (depending on whose name he put on the order). If he paid by credit card and used his real name, then having Pizza delivery made to your place is at best a violation of the delivered TOS.

I apologize if this is too lawyerly but I don't yet see what law he broke, other than common sense and decency.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#47 - 2013-02-05 16:15:23 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.


Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.


Hang on a minute, am I reading this right?

You are accusing me of threatening you in real life?

Is this what you are saying?

Oh dude this is so funny I cant believe it.

I try to offer an opinion on a thread where some nutter trolls you through the internetz ...and you have no clue what to do so accuse me?
Did you actually read any of my posts or just fail troll them?

Awesome - I'm calling you out m8 bring it on.

******* idiot lol


LOL. What. That post has everything to do with the CNR pilot who went crazy and nothing to do with you.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#48 - 2013-02-05 16:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.


Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.


Hang on a minute, am I reading this right?

You are accusing me of threatening you in real life?

Is this what you are saying?

Oh dude this is so funny I cant believe it.

I try to offer an opinion on a thread where some nutter trolls you through the internetz ...and you have no clue what to do so accuse me?
Did you actually read any of my posts or just fail troll them?

Awesome - I'm calling you out m8 bring it on.

******* idiot lol


LOL. What. That post has everything to do with the CNR pilot who went crazy and nothing to do with you.


OK np then.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Fabio Bittar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-05 16:20:43 UTC
Wescro wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.


Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.


The guy is a clown for calling you out of game or contacting your friends.

Out of curiosity, what did he contact people with? I don't know the countries involved, but simply making a phone call or making unsolicited communication are not crimes in of themselves. His communications don't appear threatening to me, though that is a matter of opinion.

Defamation, libel or slander don't apply.

Ordering Pizza to your house can be construed as defrauding the restaurant and possibly identity theft (depending on whose name he put on the order). If he paid by credit card and used his real name, then having Pizza delivery made to your place is at best a violation of the delivered TOS.

I apologize if this is too lawyerly but I don't yet see what law he broke, other than common sense and decency.


I don't know what country you live in, but in mine he's committed a crime, alright. Calling somebody on the phone to demand ISK is quite enough. Harassment is not funny, nor legal. My suggestion is for Monk's player to roll with what he's got, and then let the police do its job.

People who can't distinguish between reality and games are mentally unstable. Period.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#50 - 2013-02-05 16:46:06 UTC
Adding to the list of childish things done in revenge for the loss of an internet space ship, I'm finding that he has apparently signed me up to receive a catalog of gay porn...probably to the same family member's address that he sent the pizza to.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it out here that Theory666 is unstable and should in no way be trusted in Eve Online.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Fabio Bittar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-02-05 17:07:00 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Adding to the list of childish things done in revenge for the loss of an internet space ship, I'm finding that he has apparently signed me up to receive a catalog of gay ****...probably to the same family member's address that he sent the pizza to.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it out here that Theory666 is unstable and should in no way be trusted in Eve Online, however, feel free to open fire on his character, and to dutifully reduce his ships to smithereens if you see him.


Fixed it.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-02-05 18:16:23 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:

I mean dude you griefed him, now hes griefing you - and doing a pretty good job of it if you ask me.


Dude, everything ingame is fair game. Outside of game is where it becomes serious.

I don't know about you, but I believe I would have grounds to call police in my country. (depending how bad this out of game 'harassment' is).


In the US (especially in Texas) you'd have grounds to shoot him on sight if it's bad enough.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-02-05 18:20:55 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Adding to the list of childish things done in revenge for the loss of an internet space ship, I'm finding that he has apparently signed me up to receive a catalog of gay ****...probably to the same family member's address that he sent the pizza to.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it out here that Theory666 is unstable and should in no way be trusted in Eve Online.


Also, I am going to hope that you reported this activity to CCP so they can take the appropriate steps.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#54 - 2013-02-05 18:33:18 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Also, I am going to hope that you reported this activity to CCP so they can take the appropriate steps.


CCP is aware of the situation and is doing what they can.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#55 - 2013-02-05 18:37:37 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.


QFT
Fabio Bittar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-02-05 18:47:50 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.


QFT


-1
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#57 - 2013-02-05 18:52:53 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.

QFT

You people can't honestly believe that.

He was duped into a bad situation in a game, and his response was to:

1) Make harassing phone calls and text messages
2) Call someone's ex-girlfriend
3) Send pizza to the house of a family member
4) Order a pornography catalog, presumably to that same house.
5) Apparently attempt to access my Yahoo! e-mail account, as I received an e-mail regarding attempted access

How could anyone consider that a reasonable escalation?

There's something of an implied threat when you go outside well-established in-game communications to contact someone. He could have eve-mailed me. Convoed me. Followed me around in local spamming it up. Instead, he proceeded to stalk me, my corpmates, and anyone he could find connected to us.

If I call your mother fat and you can't think of a good verbal retort, it's not acceptable for you to respond by hitting me instead. There's a point at which it's not okay to escalate behavior. This guy crossed it. He's unbalanced and needs help.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#58 - 2013-02-05 18:56:07 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.

QFT

You people can't honestly believe that.

He was duped into a bad situation in a game, and his response was to:

1) Make harassing phone calls and text messages
2) Call someone's ex-girlfriend
3) Send pizza to the house of a family member
4) Order a pornography catalog, presumably to that same house.
5) Apparently attempt to access my Yahoo! e-mail account, as I received an e-mail regarding attempted access

How could anyone consider that a reasonable escalation?

There's something of an implied threat when you go outside well-established in-game communications to contact someone. He could have eve-mailed me. Convoed me. Followed me around in local spamming it up. Instead, he proceeded to stalk me, my corpmates, and anyone he could find connected to us.

If I call your mother fat and you can't think of a good verbal retort, it's not acceptable for you to respond by hitting me instead. There's a point at which it's not okay to escalate behavior. This guy crossed it. He's unbalanced and needs help.


Then don't scam and troll.
Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2013-02-05 18:57:36 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Then don't scam and troll.


I normally don't agree with scamming or piewacy or whatever, but it's a part of the game. I don't think it justifies RL stalking. I mean sure, in-game shenanigans would be called for but...pizza bombing and stuff? For a 1bil isk scam? I dunno man.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Fabio Bittar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-02-05 19:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabio Bittar
Unit CA108AF wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.

QFT

You people can't honestly believe that.

He was duped into a bad situation in a game, and his response was to:

1) Make harassing phone calls and text messages
2) Call someone's ex-girlfriend
3) Send pizza to the house of a family member
4) Order a pornography catalog, presumably to that same house.
5) Apparently attempt to access my Yahoo! e-mail account, as I received an e-mail regarding attempted access

How could anyone consider that a reasonable escalation?

There's something of an implied threat when you go outside well-established in-game communications to contact someone. He could have eve-mailed me. Convoed me. Followed me around in local spamming it up. Instead, he proceeded to stalk me, my corpmates, and anyone he could find connected to us.

If I call your mother fat and you can't think of a good verbal retort, it's not acceptable for you to respond by hitting me instead. There's a point at which it's not okay to escalate behavior. This guy crossed it. He's unbalanced and needs help.


Then don't scam and troll.


Nothing justifies harassing somebody in real-life, making threat calls and annoying / scaring their family.

Nothing justifies blurring the line between make-believe and the real world.

He was scammed and trolled in a game where scamming and trolling are part of everyday gameplay.

If you can't see how wrong you are, and how wrong it is to take videogame issues into the real world, you need urgent psychiatric treatment. You are either a sociopath or worse.

EVE is a videogame.