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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#181 - 2013-02-06 19:06:33 UTC
This thread is full of dumb on so many levels and I'm too intellectual to really be commenting on it, but...
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.

...with that analogy you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot - just ask any insurance agent. Seriously, if you have home insurance then call your broker at the next available opportunity and ask him, "if I leave my house unlocked when I leave - and I swear I simply forgot to - how much would you pay out for all the stuff that got burgled?"

He'll put you on hold. Not to actually check how much you'd get, but to laugh his a$$ off in peace and quiet. Eventually he'll come back with something like, "How about 10%. Only fair, right? If you want more I know a good lawyer to help you with that. Really, he always works for us. Uh, with us, I mean."
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2013-02-06 19:11:38 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
This thread is full of dumb on so many levels and I'm too intellectual to really be commenting on it, but...
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.

...with that analogy you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot - just ask any insurance agent. Seriously, if you have home insurance then call your broker at the next available opportunity and ask him, "if I leave my house unlocked when I leave - and I swear I simply forgot to - how much would you pay out for all the stuff that got burgled?"

He'll put you on hold. Not to actually check how much you'd get, but to laugh his a$$ off in peace and quiet. Eventually he'll come back with something like, "How about 10%. Only fair, right? If you want more I know a good lawyer to help you with that. Really, he always works for us. Uh, with us, I mean."


Victim blaming, good job.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#183 - 2013-02-06 19:12:50 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Guys, perhaps we should leave Unit alone. Its obvious that he feels coming after us IRL for disagreeing with him on a forum is an acceptable behaviour, and we are likely all in danger at this point.

Glad our cops here in Texas will help you drag the body back into your house because it reduces their paperwork.


So not only can you not read, but you're a gun totting pro-vigilante hooligan to boot. Everything makes so much more sense now.

But I'm a generous soul, and I will refer you back to posts 184, 178, 170, and 103, all which clearly show that you are a liar and that I do not condone such behavior, but say that both parties have fault.

You are ill informed, unable to see another superior argument to your faulty view point, and you continue to condone the actions of griefers while saying they should get away with instigating real world reactions and refusing to take any responsibility for being the catalyst of such an event. You are no longer credible and a non-participant in this argument.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Have a pleasant day. :)


U mad bro?Big smile












...read all 10 pages and nobody said that yet. Had to do it.

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Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2013-02-06 19:14:16 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Guys, perhaps we should leave Unit alone. Its obvious that he feels coming after us IRL for disagreeing with him on a forum is an acceptable behaviour, and we are likely all in danger at this point.

Glad our cops here in Texas will help you drag the body back into your house because it reduces their paperwork.


So not only can you not read, but you're a gun totting pro-vigilante hooligan to boot. Everything makes so much more sense now.

But I'm a generous soul, and I will refer you back to posts 184, 178, 170, and 103, all which clearly show that you are a liar and that I do not condone such behavior, but say that both parties have fault.

You are ill informed, unable to see another superior argument to your faulty view point, and you continue to condone the actions of griefers while saying they should get away with instigating real world reactions and refusing to take any responsibility for being the catalyst of such an event. You are no longer credible and a non-participant in this argument.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Have a pleasant day. :)


U mad bro?Big smile







...read all 10 pages and nobody said that yet. Had to do it.



So you read my serious post too? Lies, because I am missing your thumbs up! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2573962#post2573962

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#185 - 2013-02-06 19:23:19 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Guys, perhaps we should leave Unit alone. Its obvious that he feels coming after us IRL for disagreeing with him on a forum is an acceptable behaviour, and we are likely all in danger at this point.

Glad our cops here in Texas will help you drag the body back into your house because it reduces their paperwork.


So not only can you not read, but you're a gun totting pro-vigilante hooligan to boot. Everything makes so much more sense now.

But I'm a generous soul, and I will refer you back to posts 184, 178, 170, and 103, all which clearly show that you are a liar and that I do not condone such behavior, but say that both parties have fault.

You are ill informed, unable to see another superior argument to your faulty view point, and you continue to condone the actions of griefers while saying they should get away with instigating real world reactions and refusing to take any responsibility for being the catalyst of such an event. You are no longer credible and a non-participant in this argument.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Have a pleasant day. :)


U mad bro?Big smile







...read all 10 pages and nobody said that yet. Had to do it.



So you read my serious post too? Lies, because I am missing your thumbs up! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2573962#post2573962


fixed

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#186 - 2013-02-06 19:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Guys, perhaps we should leave Unit alone. Its obvious that he feels coming after us IRL for disagreeing with him on a forum is an acceptable behaviour, and we are likely all in danger at this point.

Glad our cops here in Texas will help you drag the body back into your house because it reduces their paperwork.


So not only can you not read, but you're a gun totting pro-vigilante hooligan to boot. Everything makes so much more sense now.

But I'm a generous soul, and I will refer you back to posts 184, 178, 170, and 103, all which clearly show that you are a liar and that I do not condone such behavior, but say that both parties have fault.

You are ill informed, unable to see another superior argument to your faulty view point, and you continue to condone the actions of griefers while saying they should get away with instigating real world reactions and refusing to take any responsibility for being the catalyst of such an event. You are no longer credible and a non-participant in this argument.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Have a pleasant day. :)

Shooting someone in self defense is vigilante behavior? You must be from the UKs nanny state.

Sorry, but cops here will take your side when it is clear that you are defending yourself, not when you go out looking for problems(difference between what I referred to and what you say Theory666 should have been expected to do).

You have repeatedly said that if someone pushes like we are right now, that we should expect them to come for us, and that it is our fault when they do.

Edit: to be clear, verbal assault is a legal form of assault, and you are allowed to take reasonable action to defend yourself from it(aka I can deck you legally here for callin my momma fat, but I can't shoot you or hunt down your family).

You are getting more and more self contradictory, because in the same breath that you say what he did is bad, you say its Banjo's fault for provoking it. I come from a place where you can legally retaliate for provocation, and I think what happened was wrong.

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#187 - 2013-02-06 19:36:06 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
This thread is full of dumb on so many levels and I'm too intellectual to really be commenting on it, but...
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.

...with that analogy you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot - just ask any insurance agent. Seriously, if you have home insurance then call your broker at the next available opportunity and ask him, "if I leave my house unlocked when I leave - and I swear I simply forgot to - how much would you pay out for all the stuff that got burgled?"

He'll put you on hold. Not to actually check how much you'd get, but to laugh his a$$ off in peace and quiet. Eventually he'll come back with something like, "How about 10%. Only fair, right? If you want more I know a good lawyer to help you with that. Really, he always works for us. Uh, with us, I mean."


Victim blaming, good job.

inorite? dem ebil insurance brokers, tsk tsk.
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#188 - 2013-02-06 19:40:48 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
You have repeatedly said that if someone pushes like we are right now, that we should expect them to come for us, and that it is our fault when they do.


So none credible. I did not say you should expect someone to come for you. But don't act surprised and appalled when you get a crazy doing ANYTHING outside the game. Not necessarily stalking, but a prank call or something.

Is it right? No of course not, it's stupid. But you and others REALLY shouldn't be so surprised and offended. What did you think was going to happen? You'd never run into a crazy on the net?

Quote:
Edit: to be clear, verbal assault is a legal form of assault, and you are allowed to take reasonable action to defend yourself from it(aka I can deck you legally here for callin my momma fat, but I can't shoot you or hunt down your family).


How charming...

Quote:
You are getting more and more self contradictory, because in the same breath that you say what he did is bad, you say its Banjo's fault for provoking it. I come from a place where you can legally retaliate for provocation, and I think what happened was wrong.


What's self contradictory? I think you simply have problems following an argument, and your anger is clouding what little critical thinking skills you may have. I'll spell it out for you.

Stalking is bad. Egging on the stalker before it happened is bad. Both parties are at fault. Little sympathy from me to the griefer. ZERO sympathy for any griefer who abuses someone to such an extreme who has a certain amount of karma happen to them. Karma does not include stalking, doxing, or whatever. A prank call or email here or there, get over yourself. It's a prank. But beyond that, it is wrong. No one should do what Theory did, but the griefer was also wrong in pushing it so far.

Does that make sense, or do I need to use smaller words?
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#189 - 2013-02-06 19:40:51 UTC
OP getting griefed IRL.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2013-02-06 19:44:22 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
This thread is full of dumb on so many levels and I'm too intellectual to really be commenting on it, but...
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.

...with that analogy you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot - just ask any insurance agent. Seriously, if you have home insurance then call your broker at the next available opportunity and ask him, "if I leave my house unlocked when I leave - and I swear I simply forgot to - how much would you pay out for all the stuff that got burgled?"

He'll put you on hold. Not to actually check how much you'd get, but to laugh his a$$ off in peace and quiet. Eventually he'll come back with something like, "How about 10%. Only fair, right? If you want more I know a good lawyer to help you with that. Really, he always works for us. Uh, with us, I mean."


Victim blaming, good job.

inorite? dem ebil insurance brokers, tsk tsk.


The insurance industry, ~bastion of morality and ethics~, try again pubbie sir. This time I recommend you go chat with some MRAs and TVTropes personalities before hand.

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#191 - 2013-02-06 20:19:53 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
This thread is full of dumb on so many levels.

The i

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Valderath
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2013-02-06 20:55:10 UTC
Hm this was an interesting one. I have to say that although I don't think the guy has -any- right whatsoever to contact someone in real-ife, there is a measure of blame upon the original griefers. You name/shame the guy on a blog increasing his humiliation, then as a further case for your own sociopathic tendencies you exalt with your friends in some kind of weird 'bully' circle-jerk about how seemingly 'clever' you are an inciting someone to be so upset, yet cry wolf when the guy takes it too far and starts sending pizzas round.

Get a clue, this is a game yes but the people playing it are real. You will have people within that gaming population who may have issues or take things too far. In this case I think you have -both- taken it too far. Him with his calls and contact out-side of the game itself, and you and your ****** friends in the way you grief and seemingly exalt over your petty computer game 'victories'.

Just my two cents worth.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#193 - 2013-02-06 21:00:53 UTC
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.

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Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#194 - 2013-02-06 21:08:43 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.


Welcome, brother -- the sign in sheet to use the podium for your rant is over there. We have cool aid in the back of the room and if you need some time alone, you can rent out the white room by the hour.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Vegine
Sphere Foundation
#195 - 2013-02-06 21:13:43 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.

awwwww mommy is sorry lil baby met someone else for the 1st time on the playground. Want mommy to call up your good o'l friends to cozy you up? After all, isnt that what like-minded friends are for Lol?

Don't worry, you'll grow up and learn how to properly deal with other people on your own eventually. It looks like a long way coming but eventually you'll get there :p
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#196 - 2013-02-06 21:17:54 UTC
Vegine wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.

awwwww mommy is sorry lil baby met someone else for the 1st time on the playground. Want mommy to call up your good o'l friends to cozy you up? After all, isnt that what like-minded friends are for Lol?

Don't worry, you'll grow up and learn how to properly deal with other people on your own eventually. It looks like a long way coming but eventually you'll get there :p

Sorry, I'm not the one throwing a fit about those mean ol' griefers Roll

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Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
#197 - 2013-02-06 21:23:13 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vegine wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.

awwwww mommy is sorry lil baby met someone else for the 1st time on the playground. Want mommy to call up your good o'l friends to cozy you up? After all, isnt that what like-minded friends are for Lol?

Don't worry, you'll grow up and learn how to properly deal with other people on your own eventually. It looks like a long way coming but eventually you'll get there :p

Sorry, I'm not the one throwing a fit about those mean ol' griefers Roll


I do believe you and your...kind...are the ones throwing a tantrum for logically calling out your bullying for what it is. It's been said over and over and over again that the griefing isn't the major problem. Scam, gank, do whatever. It's part of the game, but be a good sport about it.

Don't rub salt in the wound just to get tears and THEN act surprised when someone comes after you for it.

The problem isn't the griefing, it's the culture of tear collection that's the issue.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#198 - 2013-02-06 21:26:09 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vegine wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.

awwwww mommy is sorry lil baby met someone else for the 1st time on the playground. Want mommy to call up your good o'l friends to cozy you up? After all, isnt that what like-minded friends are for Lol?

Don't worry, you'll grow up and learn how to properly deal with other people on your own eventually. It looks like a long way coming but eventually you'll get there :p

Sorry, I'm not the one throwing a fit about those mean ol' griefers Roll


I do believe you and your...kind...are the ones throwing a tantrum for logically calling out your bullying for what it is. It's been said over and over and over again that the griefing isn't the major problem. Scam, gank, do whatever. It's part of the game, but be a good sport about it.

Don't rub salt in the wound just to get tears and THEN act surprised when someone comes after you for it.

The problem isn't the griefing, it's the culture of tear collection that's the issue.


If you think about it, collecting anything is pretty bad. I mean, how must the sharks feel when they hear a best friend was just caught and his teeth are now part of a few hundred shark tooth collections : (

See, tear collectors are actually humane! We catch, release, and share!

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#199 - 2013-02-06 21:31:13 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vegine wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
This thread really is bringing out the crazies.

awwwww mommy is sorry lil baby met someone else for the 1st time on the playground. Want mommy to call up your good o'l friends to cozy you up? After all, isnt that what like-minded friends are for Lol?

Don't worry, you'll grow up and learn how to properly deal with other people on your own eventually. It looks like a long way coming but eventually you'll get there :p

Sorry, I'm not the one throwing a fit about those mean ol' griefers Roll


I do believe you and your...kind...are the ones throwing a tantrum for logically calling out your bullying for what it is. It's been said over and over and over again that the griefing isn't the major problem. Scam, gank, do whatever. It's part of the game, but be a good sport about it.

Don't rub salt in the wound just to get tears and THEN act surprised when someone comes after you for it.

The problem isn't the griefing, it's the culture of tear collection that's the issue.

Out of curiousity, what is 'My kind'?

I find myself saying this quite frequently lately, you might want to actually know something about me other than my in-game political views before you accuse me of being a certain 'kind', since I am, myself, a carebear who avoids PVP. I am, by nature, pacifistic, and only fight when I have to.

Except when I get caught, then I do the smart thing and show my teeth, instead of whining about the mean ol' griefers.

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Valderath
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2013-02-06 21:32:32 UTC

What is my kind.. yet you blanket statement anyone who disagrees with you as 'crazies'.. get some logic.