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Unplug Skillbooks

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Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-02-04 21:40:34 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
I could see this being a legitimate problem if some kibd of penalty came with the skill, but since there isn't one, it's not an important issue.


The penalty isn't one in the traditional sense of the word. Personally I see it as a penalty because it's an eye sore on my otherwise organised skill sheet. Fair enough I was responsible for accidentally injecting lab op but I wasn't for the addition of industry 2.

I agree that the issue isn't of utmost importance, I too would prefer CCP to focus on the more important matters first. It's merely a quality of life improvement that can be implemented when CCP (if ever) have some spare development time.

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#42 - 2013-02-04 21:51:44 UTC
I actually sympathize your plight, so + 12

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Akara Ito
Phalanx Solutions
#43 - 2013-02-04 21:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Akara Ito
Fun fact: GMs dont even do this if you petition for it at the moment. (Yes i have tried it)
I guess its a safety feature to make sure that hacked accounts cant be completely wiped out and/or GMs dont want to deal with a flood of these once they start doing it.

Could be nice if it would be possible with a build in function.

Callic Veratar wrote:
Reasonable idea from the point of view of keeping your character sheet clean. However, you mention hackers, and based on the player interactions in this game, I would be highly suspect of introducing such a feature.

It changes methods of player social interaction from in character/player to a customer level thing. For example, if I could find the account information for Supercap pilots, I could delete the skills prior to a major engagement. Even if it was determined that hacking was the result of the deletion, the battle would already be over, with the only option to fix it being a full server roll back.

Do not underestimate the lengths players will go to be dicks to each other.


Call me conservative but I'd just selfdestruct the super , clonejump once and pod the character back to empire space.
That should do the job just as well.
Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-02-04 22:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobo Cindekela
I think its fine if they want to make unplug skill a feature of the skill system


  • the SP should be wasted
  • there should be a timer similiar to the biomass process that prevents "accidents"


but i see no reason for secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown.

Would it be a better solution to implement a "hide skill from skillsheet/API" option??

You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,  this is your final warning.

Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-02-04 22:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Khaine
Drake Doe wrote:
I actually sympathize your plight, so + 12


Haha thank you, that rocketed me all the way to 100 likes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc

Akara Ito wrote:
Fun fact: GMs dont even do this if you petition for it at the moment. (Yes i have tried it)
I guess its a safety feature to make sure that hacked accounts cant be completely wiped out and/or GMs dont want to deal with a flood of these once they start doing it.

Could be nice if it would be possible with a build in function.


I can understand that GM's wouldn't want to do this on a ticked based system. I think it would have to be officially implemented for us to see this kind of thing happen.

Bobo Cindekela wrote:
I think its fine if they want to make unplug skill a feature of the skill system


  • the SP should be wasted
  • there should be a timer similiar to the biomass process that prevents "accidents"


but i see no reason for secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown.


I will leave the finer security details to CCP P I'm simply just spouting suggestions. The secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown are mainly there to prevent the system being abused by hackers.

Bobo Cindekela wrote:
Would it be a better solution to implement a "hide skill from skillsheet/API" option??


I honestly don't know and I'm not in a position to say which would take the less time to implement. Personally I would prefer complete destruction of the skill over a hide/view feature. Though at the moment I'd be happy to receive either. Lol

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-02-04 22:12:08 UTC
Take a look at this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=23768#post23768

and again, this is any sort of good point to loss a skill? other then visual?
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-02-04 22:21:46 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Take a look at this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=23768#post23768

and again, this is any sort of good point to loss a skill? other then visual?


The good point is it adds more structure and organisation to your character sheet. And I loves me some structure and organisation haha. So yes, purely visual I guess. It will have no impact on gameplay other than the fact you will be less effective in what you just threw away. So basically people who use this feature are giving away their SP for the sake of organisation. You might think it's silly and laugh as you think "a skill learnt is never a skill wasted" and they will just be happy to remove that skillbook that has been gathering dust for years.


The good thing is that you lose SP. SP that you will have to relearn in order to reacquire. Meaning the people that delete their skills but regret it only have themselves to blame and meanwhile the other players that didn't delete their skill can point & laugh saying "I told you so!". This is a fair consequence and will (very very slightly or possibly largely) allow other players to catch up to others in terms of SP total.

That's about the only real impact I can see it having for a quality of life improvement.

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-02-04 22:24:21 UTC
Also I just want to say thank you for all the replies so far that have helped flesh out the idea a bit more. Appreciate it!

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#49 - 2013-02-05 02:05:21 UTC
Sasha Khaine wrote:


You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is it? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.


"Ignoring it" means "just deal with it and move on".

Thank you.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-02-05 07:07:51 UTC
Let it be your challenge, all be it a stupid and misguided one, that you train only skills you need for combat. Like choosing a name you can be happy with, choose carefully the skills you train. ...and forget about relying on CCP to help you clean up your mess and bad planning .

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-02-05 07:38:29 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Sasha Khaine wrote:


You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is it? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.


"Ignoring it" means "just deal with it and move on".

Thank you.


Thank you for the bump

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-02-05 07:39:47 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Let it be your challenge, all be it a stupid and misguided one, that you train only skills you need for combat. Like choosing a name you can be happy with, choose carefully the skills you train. ...and forget about relying on CCP to help you clean up your mess and bad planning .


Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#53 - 2013-02-05 09:11:16 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Mikhael Taron wrote:


Danika Princip is a known dickhead with delusions of Grand Troll Master. That he responded as he did means your idea has merit.


Post with your main so I can stick a bounty on you. Roll

And tell us again how every awful idea that has already been suggested 500 times must have merit just because people don't like it.


"Mummy, mummy, I'm sticking a bounty on that nasty man!" "That's nice, dear! Now clean yourself up and throw the handkerchief into the laundry basket."

Tell you again about every awful idea?!? Point out where I said that the first time. I think you're hinge has become loose.

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.

Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#54 - 2013-02-05 09:18:38 UTC
No. Seek help for your disorder instead.
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-02-05 11:10:59 UTC
Rented wrote:
No. Seek help for your disorder instead.


Thanks for the bump! I've pretty much covered everything there is to say now I think, all issues have been ironed out to avoid potential problems with hackers and misuse.

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#56 - 2013-02-05 12:08:57 UTC
As long as 'why not' is valid reasoning for catering to pointless niche interests, I'd like the ability to put giant pink tassles on my ship.
Korgoroth
Fly Sideways
#57 - 2013-02-05 14:45:39 UTC
Just out of curiosity, do you lock your front door over and over again, in groups of 3?
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-02-05 17:21:42 UTC
Korgoroth wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do you lock your front door over and over again, in groups of 3?


4 actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUTqW32gx9k

haha

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-02-05 17:25:09 UTC
Rented wrote:
As long as 'why not' is valid reasoning for catering to pointless niche interests, I'd like the ability to put giant pink tassles on my ship.


Would you like glitter with that?

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#60 - 2013-02-06 08:14:31 UTC
Sasha Khaine wrote:


Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.


... because I didn't read the full description of the school I chose.