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What % of new players stick with the game?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#21 - 2013-02-04 08:12:08 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
Working on my second month here.

It looks like the average account age is 4 years?

Not sure I'll make it that long, but I am glad I came to try out EVE. Was on my to-do list a long while.



Nah I wouldn't say the average account age is 4 years. That seems really old.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Ai Shun
#22 - 2013-02-04 08:12:36 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Actually, it's very obvious that you think this is an exceedingly low number. So low, in fact, that the tired old meme "Eve is Dying" is actually true. Obviously, the player retention efforts that CCP have put in place are so terrible that they have one of the only MMOs in the world with a positive growth rate for a ******* decade.


Thank you! The CSM / CCP has also released those numbers; at least as of the last Mittani CSM which showed pretty much that as well.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-02-04 08:15:14 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
Working on my second month here.

It looks like the average account age is 4 years?

Not sure I'll make it that long, but I am glad I came to try out EVE. Was on my to-do list a long while.



Many people take breaks, sometimes long ones, and accounts don't get deleted for going inactive, or practically any other reason. Thus, the average account age is simply a median between the time they were all created. As more and more accounts are created, and kept, that age will shrink, or grow, accordingly with the ratio of account creation dates, not the period of time accounts are played for.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-04 08:18:44 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Many people take breasts, sometimes long ones, . Thus, the average age is simply a median between the time they were all created. As more and more breasts are created, and kept, their size will shrink, or grow, accordingly with the ratio of account creation dates, not the period of time accounts are played for.



Hey, I didn't say that!
Josef Djugashvilis
#25 - 2013-02-04 08:37:31 UTC
I first subbed in early '07, played for 7 months, then took a 4 year break, returned, and will have actual play time of nearly 2 years shortly.

My point being, that is very difficult to come up with meaningful statistics in Eve.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#26 - 2013-02-04 11:05:28 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'm pretty sure that this isn't information that can possibly be meaningful to you.


He's run out of silly things to argue about and is looking for something new.

In related news, my favourite pony is Pinky Pie.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2013-02-04 11:40:39 UTC
The rate of sub increases has slowed every time hi-sec gets safer

Therefore we should make hi-sec more dangerous and exciting to save EVE.

(logically)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#28 - 2013-02-04 12:07:27 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


Nah I wouldn't say the average account age is 4 years. That seems really old.

-Liang


I've played a few MMOs, my shortest time is 6 months. Longest about 8 years. Love em.

So I guess my average is at least a few years.

Really old wouldn't be my game time, it would be my age. Lol

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Whitehound
#29 - 2013-02-04 12:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Malcanis wrote:
The rate of sub increases has slowed every time hi-sec gets safer

Therefore we should make hi-sec more dangerous and exciting to save EVE.

(logically)

It is not your business.

Also, I did not think I ever see you say "EVE is dying", but here we are with you wanting to save it. X

I am sooooo not going to vote for you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#30 - 2013-02-04 12:08:46 UTC
Arronicus wrote:

Many people take breaks, sometimes long ones, and accounts don't get deleted for going inactive, or practically any other reason. Thus, the average account age is simply a median between the time they were all created. As more and more accounts are created, and kept, that age will shrink, or grow, accordingly with the ratio of account creation dates, not the period of time accounts are played for.


Ah, cool. That makes sense. Thanks!

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Doctor Zoe
Spatial Enterprises
#31 - 2013-02-04 12:31:03 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
Working on my second month here.

It looks like the average account age is 4 years?

Not sure I'll make it that long, but I am glad I came to try out EVE. Was on my to-do list a long while.



Nah I wouldn't say the average account age is 4 years. That seems really old.

-Liang


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I kno the meaning of LIang NvRen , its means that betiful lady
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-02-04 17:15:31 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Actually, it's very obvious that you think this is an exceedingly low number. So low, in fact, that the tired old meme "Eve is Dying" is actually true. Obviously, the player retention efforts that CCP have put in place are so terrible that they have one of the only MMOs in the world with a positive growth rate for a ******* decade.

Seriously, if you have ideas for how to help the NPE, then spit them out. If you want to tell everyone you know how to run a game company better than CCP... well, you're free to try. Get some venture funding, start a company. Hire a bunch of people. Find out just how much you didn't know.

-Liang



Good old Liang, cutting to the heart of the matter in one single post lol.

As for me, i would hope the answer is "not that many, but enough to keep positive growth". EVE is cool to me in part because it's Exclusive.

Some of us like exclusive. EVE is like a night club where scrubs and thundersluts are unwelcome. Unfortunately, the "EVE would get so many more subs if" crowd wants to take our exclusive club and turn it into Dennys....... The WoW of the restaurant world.
Vexen Lyre
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-02-04 17:22:02 UTC
eve is exclusive in the same way your mum's basement is.

Docked in Jita - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-02-04 17:25:08 UTC
Vexen Lyre wrote:
eve is exclusive in the same way your mum's basement is.


OMG, such wonderful content, not only do you win post of the day, the noble prize people called looking for your phone number!
Vexen Lyre
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-02-04 17:28:59 UTC
and your mum picked up.

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Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-02-04 18:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldari Citizen 20120308
I'd say it's pretty bad. Most of my friends that have tried EVE have mostly complained about one thing: skill training and throwing things into queue. Not once have I heard about how "hard" the game is which is a cover up for the lack of character progression.

What sandbox when you are restricted by a queue that player's have no control over.Blink


A true sandbox = Elder Scrolls Skyrim. I would hate to know I couldn't use an axe for 16 hours since I haven't added it to my queue yet.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#37 - 2013-02-04 19:11:45 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

Nah I wouldn't say the average account age is 4 years. That seems really old.


2009 is now 4 years ago. Bet you still think of 2009+ players as noobs though, I know I do :D
Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#38 - 2013-02-04 19:20:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
On a two week trial, your average player gets 'free stuff'' can griefed on his first day. Can flipped on his second day. Ganked on the third while mining in his noob mining ship. Gate ganked on the fifth day hauling his stuff to a market hub and robbed in a corp recruitment scam on the sixth. He stops logging in on the seventh day.

Mr Epeen Cool


Not sure if this was tongue-in-cheek but in any case it's accurate.

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#39 - 2013-02-04 19:26:49 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
2009 is now 4 years ago. Bet you still think of 2009+ players as noobs though, I know I do :D


Hmm, in Amamake right now:
1 - 2005
1 - 2006
1 - 2007
1 - 2008
6 - 2009
8 - 2010
5 - 2012
2 - 2013

So that makes the average late 2009, and likely 2010 (I neglected months). 2010 is basically 2 years still.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#40 - 2013-02-05 12:38:53 UTC


10 or 12 jumps south of Amarr, highesec but close to null, I forget the system name.

1 - 2007
4- 2011
3- 2012
1- 2013

I talked to 3 or 4 people, of those 1 had started from scratch last year. He said that he read an Eve fiction book (I think about Dust) while stuck at an airport and became hooked.