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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-02-04 01:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Personally, I think there is no way to truly make a wardec and overall PvP 'gamestyle' fit in an economically competitive player-driven PVP game and that they should all be effectively removed by making them deccable. But penning them up in some sort of 'gold farmer pen" in 0.9 and 1.0 systems might be a sensible alternative. Another good idea I heard was from Marlona Sky, saying that NPC corps should be barred from using specific kinds of ships like freighters much like how trial accounts are (sensibly) restricted. What do you think Sol?
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#22 - 2013-02-04 01:02:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.


Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me.

Thank you.



also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine?

your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb.


You can mine in the 1.0 system you are currently getting the tutorial mission in. So, I guess your last comment which personally attacks me should be turned around towards you.

Thank you.
Dave Stark
#23 - 2013-02-04 01:05:04 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.


Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me.

Thank you.



also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine?

your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb.


You can mine in the 1.0 system you are currently getting the tutorial mission in. So, I guess your last comment which personally attacks me should be turned around towards you.

Thank you.


except those systems get mined out within hours of downtime which will leave any one outside of the euro time zone perpetually unable to complete the tutorial due to the belts being mined out.

it wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation made fact by the contents of your posts.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#24 - 2013-02-04 01:05:41 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Personally, I think there is no way to truly make a wardec and overall PvP 'gamestyle' fit in an economically competitive player-driven PVP game and that they should all be effectively removed by making them deccable. But penning them up in some sort of 'gold farmer pen" in 0.9 and 1.0 systems might be a sensible alternative. Another good idea I heard was from Marlona Sky, saying that NPC corps should be barred from using specific kinds of ships like freighters. What do you think Sol?


I believe looking at some of the restrictions that are placed on Trial Accounts might be used effectively on players in NPC corps.

And to go into another part of my post.

Just because the first post isn't the greatest doesn't mean that something of value cannot be taken from it. Maybe Player Run Corporations can buy some sort of protection from CONCORD or their faction NPC corp of choice to allow them to operate in mostly the way they operate in an actual NPC corp.

For those just personally attacking me, I feel bad for you.

An idea can be molded. But not like some of you are trying to do it.

Thank you.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#25 - 2013-02-04 01:07:26 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.


Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me.

Thank you.



also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine?

your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb.


You can mine in the 1.0 system you are currently getting the tutorial mission in. So, I guess your last comment which personally attacks me should be turned around towards you.

Thank you.


except those systems get mined out within hours of downtime which will leave any one outside of the euro time zone perpetually unable to complete the tutorial due to the belts being mined out.

it wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation made fact by the contents of your posts.


It was a personal attack. The reason that caused you to attack me isn't even important.

Yes, those systems DO get mined out. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a change in the system. Belts can be added. Or [other things] can be done to change that fact.

This is how discussion works. You start with an idea and go from there.

Thank you.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-02-04 01:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Veterans taking advantage of mechanics intended to help rookies (like no ganking in rookie system belts) is the foundation of the whole "NPC corp" phenomenon. Let's get rid of NPC corps as a whole and help the rookies out by driving these creatures from their belts. You bring a good point Dave Stark at the perils of compromising on the issue of NPC corps - it just leads to further problems.
Dave Stark
#27 - 2013-02-04 01:09:24 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
It was a personal attack. The reason that caused you to attack me isn't even important.

Yes, those systems DO get mined out. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a change in the system. Belts can be added. Or [other things] can be done to change that fact.

This is how discussion works. You start with an idea and go from there.

Thank you.


the mining system doesn't need changing. why would we change a perfectly fine system to accommodate an even worse system being introduced?

not quite sure you understand how "improvements" work.

your suggestions add nothing to the game.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#28 - 2013-02-04 01:09:59 UTC
To clarify, by me stating "cannot mine outside of 1.0/0.9/0.8" it would also mean that PRCs (Player Run Corps) would NOT be able to mine in those systems. Or rent offices. Or lab slots... etc... etc... etc...

Thank you.
Dave Stark
#29 - 2013-02-04 01:10:30 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Veterans taking advantage of mechanics intended to help rookies (like no ganking in rookie system belts) is the foundation of the whole "NPC corp" phenomenon. Let's get rid of NPC corps as a whole and help the rookies out by driving these creatures from their belts. You bring a good point Dave Stark at the perils of compromising on the issue of NPC corps - it just leads to further problems.


or you could just move the starting systems away from the trade hubs.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-04 01:11:05 UTC
Can I ask you a serious question...

Do you think CCP is going to enact changes that will detrimentally affect a large portion of their player base?

We discussed this in my thread of how the forums caused CCP to change the game when it comes to mining barges being buffed because of the threads complaing about ganking.

Can you imagine the threadnaughts that will ensue if your changes were enacted?

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Dave Stark
#31 - 2013-02-04 01:12:08 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
To clarify, by me stating "cannot mine outside of 1.0/0.9/0.8" it would also mean that PRCs (Player Run Corps) would NOT be able to mine in those systems. Or rent offices. Or lab slots... etc... etc... etc...

Thank you.


or we could let ccp use the time to add something to the game rather than pointlessly changing a system that doesn't need changing?
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#32 - 2013-02-04 01:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
It was a personal attack. The reason that caused you to attack me isn't even important.

Yes, those systems DO get mined out. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a change in the system. Belts can be added. Or [other things] can be done to change that fact.

This is how discussion works. You start with an idea and go from there.

Thank you.


the mining system doesn't need changing. why would we change a perfectly fine system to accommodate an even worse system being introduced?

not quite sure you understand how "improvements" work.

your suggestions add nothing to the game.


I disagree that my suggestions add nothing to the game. It would add a protection to PRCs from people who abuse the NPC Corporation Exploit.

I won't even suggest that you yourself are abusing the system. Because, that would be a personal attack on you. I will have faith that you have never once used your protection inside an NPC corp to place a 100k bounty on someone with no risk to yourself or your main characters. Just like you don't use the same character in the NPC corp to protect your main character from getting any backlash inside the game.

My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek as I say those last two sentences.

Your sig:

"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."

Thank you.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#33 - 2013-02-04 01:14:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
To clarify, by me stating "cannot mine outside of 1.0/0.9/0.8" it would also mean that PRCs (Player Run Corps) would NOT be able to mine in those systems. Or rent offices. Or lab slots... etc... etc... etc...

Thank you.


or we could let ccp use the time to add something to the game rather than pointlessly changing a system that doesn't need changing?


I am one person who thinks the system needs changing. This thread is created to find others who think the same thing. Even if they do not agree with ALL the things I posted.

Thank you.
Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#34 - 2013-02-04 01:16:17 UTC
Well, simple response: FU.
I like to sit in NPC corp - don't have to worry about morons declaring wars out of no reason and ganking me with no consequences. This char is purely PVE oriented, and I am not interested in any kind of PVP.
If you don't like it - that should not be my problem. Go find other players rady to PVP and fight with them.
GL!
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#35 - 2013-02-04 01:16:33 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Can I ask you a serious question...

Do you think CCP is going to enact changes that will detrimentally affect a large portion of their player base?

We discussed this in my thread of how the forums caused CCP to change the game when it comes to mining barges being buffed because of the threads complaing about ganking.

Can you imagine the threadnaughts that will ensue if your changes were enacted?


I'm not sure what is going to happen. This is why the post was made. I think changes need to be made so I created a post about it. It's the first step. One small post for PRCs; one giant leap for a better gameplay experience. Gotta start somewhere.

Thank you.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#36 - 2013-02-04 01:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Well, simple response: FU.
I like to sit in NPC corp - don't have to worry about morons declaring wars out of no reason and ganking me with no consequences. This char is purely PVE oriented, and I am not interested in any kind of PVP.
If you don't like it - that should not be my problem. Go find other players rady to PVP and fight with them.
GL!


This is not about PVP. This is about players in NPC corporations using it to abuse the systems in the game, such as bounties.

Your opinion is noted as a negative response to my thread. I thank you for your input and hope you continue to enjoy your play style.

Thank you.

Oh, and so we are all clear... what do you mean by "FU" ?? I sure hope it doesn't mean what I think it does. I would hate to think you are personally attacking me based on my opinion.
Dave Stark
#37 - 2013-02-04 01:18:14 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
It was a personal attack. The reason that caused you to attack me isn't even important.

Yes, those systems DO get mined out. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a change in the system. Belts can be added. Or [other things] can be done to change that fact.

This is how discussion works. You start with an idea and go from there.

Thank you.


the mining system doesn't need changing. why would we change a perfectly fine system to accommodate an even worse system being introduced?

not quite sure you understand how "improvements" work.

your suggestions add nothing to the game.


I disagree that my suggestions add nothing to the game. It would add a protection to PRCs from people who abuse the NPC Corporation Exploit.

I won't even suggest that you yourself are abusing the system. Because, that would be a personal attack on you. I will have faith that you have never once used your protection inside an NPC corp to place a 100k bounty on someone with no risk to yourself or your main characters. Just like you don't use the same character in the NPC corp to protect your main character from getting any backlash inside the game.

My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek as I say those last two sentences.

Your sig:

"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."

Thank you.


this *is* my main character. i don't use an NPC corp alt to post/do my dirty work. i use an NPC corp character as my main character because the simple fact is; player corps have nothing to offer me.

i fail to see how using an npc corp character to shield a player from backlash is any different to using an alt in a player corp that they never log in, just create a character on an account, put it in a random player corp and send it isk to create bounties. not letting npc corp player use the bounty feature doesn't stop people being able to be "immune to backlash" it just means they have to click 2 more buttons to place a bounty.

it would be quicker, easier, and less hassle to just remove NPC corps if you truly have an issue with them. because your list of "demands" really are ill thought out and terrible. there's no getting around that.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-02-04 01:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Do you think CCP is going to enact changes that will detrimentally affect a large portion of their player base?

We discussed this in my thread of how the forums caused CCP to change the game when it comes to mining barges being buffed because of the threads complaing about ganking.

Can you imagine the threadnaughts that will ensue if your changes were enacted?

CCP are more amenable to reason after the successive commercial failures of Tyrannis/Incursion/Incarna exposed the 'carebear myth' that the PVE-exclusive demographic are a driving force in EVE's playerbase or business model. Since then they have been concentrating on PvP iterations (ships) and PvP mechanics (wardecs, bounty systems) and CCP Seagull's devblog about 2013 continuing to expand on 'emergent content' and not 'new PvE zones'. Since this has been met with EVE's resumed growth, as you like to point out, this gives us a bright sign in EVE's future direction.
Whitehound
#39 - 2013-02-04 01:20:38 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
I disagree that my suggestions add nothing to the game.

True. They add a lot of limitations to it. Heartless, selfish, mean and unnecessary limitations, which is far worse than nothing.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-02-04 01:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Dave Stark wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Veterans taking advantage of mechanics intended to help rookies (like no ganking in rookie system belts) is the foundation of the whole "NPC corp" phenomenon. Let's get rid of NPC corps as a whole and help the rookies out by driving these creatures from their belts. You bring a good point Dave Stark at the perils of compromising on the issue of NPC corps - it just leads to further problems.


or you could just move the starting systems away from the trade hubs.
And the NPC corp miners will follow. We've had other NPC corp posters go on about mining out the rookie systems because of the free anti-gank security on top of their free anti-wardec security. He felt it was fair trade to mine out the rookie systems because the rookies got to listen to his gameplay advise on how to achieve the ultimate riskadverse veld mining dream. If the rookies suffered, too bad.