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Is there a reasonable point to having a 2nd (or 3rd) Char on the SAME account?

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Jakey Son
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-04 00:16:13 UTC
Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow.
Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time.

Ok, fine. no quarrels there.

But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc.


I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine.

But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons?

Cheers
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-02-04 00:19:53 UTC
Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent....
Jakey Son
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-04 00:23:06 UTC
Maire Gheren wrote:
Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent....


Sorry, but I am pretty new to EVE.

A lot of what you said wasn't fully understood.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#4 - 2013-02-04 00:34:46 UTC
If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point.
Jakey Son
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-04 00:39:51 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point.


Sorry but there is a lot of vagueness for a guy who is pretty green.

As far as i'm aware...what can I do passively with this guy?
Cant learn a skill. (since my main is learning)
Can't passively mine.


Not sure what else, but again, my knowledge of the game is pretty limited right now.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2013-02-04 01:04:34 UTC
Jakey Son wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point.


Sorry but there is a lot of vagueness for a guy who is pretty green.

As far as i'm aware...what can I do passively with this guy?
Cant learn a skill. (since my main is learning)
Can't passively mine.


Not sure what else, but again, my knowledge of the game is pretty limited right now.


At your stage simply focus on your main.

If you join a corporation where it would be dangerous to travel in high sec (because they're always wardecced) it can be nice to have a neutral alt who can shop for you.

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Lia Danna
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-02-04 01:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lia Danna
Same account characters have a huge number of potential uses, but until you know what those are, just train your main character to do it.

Some of the main uses of a same account alt are:

1) scanning alts
2) Trade alts
3) hauler alts
4) research/indy alts
5) PvE alts
6) Gank/Scam alts


Basically, if it is a task that requires being in a different location than where your main normally hangs out, or involves doing something that you wouldn't want associated with your main character, using a same account alt might be a good idea.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-04 01:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
there are semi-passive forms of income, such as planetary interaction. you set it up once then log on once every two days or so to reap the benefits.
then there are people who prefer lean, focused chars. for example you may want a character who is very good at running lvl4 missions and nothing else. you have him learn all necessary skills (15 million SP or so), put him in a ship and only log in when you feel like doing missions.
then there are forum alts for people like myself who would rather not expose their main to being ganked for some overly blunt criticism they provide on the forums.
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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-04 01:21:05 UTC
You only need to log in for a couple minutes a day to do PI or station trading. A week's worth of skill training will allow you to do either somewhat efficiently. Then you just log in, adjust your orders (or update your planets or whatever) then log off and play withyour main. Also a good hauler is something every one needs
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-04 01:24:12 UTC
I have a second character on my account... used to have it's own but once it got trained to a level where it could make me isk I transferred it over Big smile

I need the 2nd character because I know what's going to happen... I'll stay on the straight and narrow and then one day I'm going to fall off the wagon and massacre an obedience school for kittens and be at -10 again Pirate

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#11 - 2013-02-04 01:27:00 UTC
Jakey Son wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
If the character can do what it needs to passively, without being logged in, then yes, there is a point.


Sorry but there is a lot of vagueness for a guy who is pretty green.

As far as i'm aware...what can I do passively with this guy?
Cant learn a skill. (since my main is learning)
Can't passively mine.


Not sure what else, but again, my knowledge of the game is pretty limited right now.



People who do industry of one sort or another do a great deal passively.

Log the alt on (who's had just enough training to be useful).
Stick on 10 industry jobs.
stick on some research jobs too.
Log off, then onto your other alt.
Stick another 10 jobs on.
Log off. Log your main on.
stick another 10 jobs on. Go do something fun.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2013-02-04 01:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
My "main" character here is a "criminal" and thus cannot enter high security space to get replacement ships and supplies. So I use one of character slots on my account to create a "hauling alt" to ferry replacement stuff to my main character (and take expensive loot away to trading hubs).

The last character slot is used for an alt that "finds" and spies on people. She watches people, sees what ships they fly, and what they do with them. Very good for marking targets and figuring out what their weaknesses are.

And yes... you do need to pause training on your "main character" for a small bit. But skill specialties like hauling (industrial ships) and "spying" are not huge "timesinks" relative to other professions.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#13 - 2013-02-04 03:22:11 UTC
Both my alts on this account have basic training to be corp CEOs. I bounce between them to avoid having to pay taxes in the NPC corps (11%) and also to evade wardecs. Right now one corp in in Faction Warfare so I can join whenever I want without the 24 hour cooldown and then jump back out when I'm done for the weekend.

I also use them for supply runs (my main is kill-on-site in a couple areas... too many faction missions) as well as Planetary Interaction when I don't get bored out of my mind with it as well as camp them at major trade hubs to check prices.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#14 - 2013-02-04 07:57:49 UTC
Jakey Son wrote:
Maire Gheren wrote:
Cynos, highsec hauler to deliver stuff to your pirate main, anonymous forum and bounty poster alt, Jita market agent....


Sorry, but I am pretty new to EVE.

A lot of what you said wasn't fully understood.


If you ever find yourself saying something like this, then the answer to your original question is a firm, capitalized "NO".

Like, not even slightly. Don't do it until you know why you should do it.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-04 10:53:39 UTC
I have 3 characters on 1 account, this one is my main which i (play or...login haha) and 2 chicks who i log just to do PI stuff as passive income every 2 days or so. It took around a week to train each character to use 5 planets and after that you are free :).
Every little helps.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#16 - 2013-02-04 11:49:12 UTC
Two of my three chars sit in trading hubs and do station trading.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-02-04 11:59:20 UTC
Jakey Son wrote:
Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow.
Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time.

Ok, fine. no quarrels there.

But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc.


I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine.

But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons?

Cheers


Yes. I have all the skills I really need on Malc, so now I'm training up a second character on this accout, because she can be somewhere else in New Eden than Malc, with different skill specialisations, in a different ship, ready to go. I also have a ~1M SP cyno alt in an NPC corp which is super useful, as my second account has my capital specialised "second main".

On my second account, I also have skilled up a hi-sec mission runner as a second character, so when 0.0 is quiet (most of the time) or if I'm just tired, I can log in and do some low intensity ISK making while chatting to my friends. I also have a ~800k SP scout alt in an NPC corp, although I very rarely use him now.

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-04 12:04:38 UTC
Basically, as some have pointed out through examples, they are good for characters that fill roles your main character cannot (either due to affiliation getting in the way, or needing to be somewhere different to where your main is based), and fill a role which does not require extensive training. The second bit is key, since it costs you training time on your main character to train these guys up, but if a role only needs a million or so sp, its a waste to pay for a second account, when you can just spend a month or so training them then switching back to your main.

As examples, certain duties only need a baseline of skills, which once trained, the character need never train another skill. Such roles as Market Trading, Industry, certain combat roles like cynoing, and yes, even mining (although that is much longer before you hit the cap), all have finite skill-levels, where once they have hit a point, you can't spend more points in that avenue. Both back-up characters on this characters account fill that role.

- the first has training in industrial ships, the relevant skills to use the modules fitted on that industrial, and the market training skills. In all, this took a couple of weeks of training time off my main character, now she never needs another skill. This is due to my Alliance - I can't easily move around in high security space due to enemies (both player and faction police), and therefore can't get to trading hubs, so she does that for me, and ships things I need to the border of my alliances space, where this character can collect it..
- the second flies Stealth Bombers. Again, ~month training time for all the skills needed for flying bombers. He serves as a recon alt, often being many regions away from where this character is located.
Bow'en
Solutum
#19 - 2013-02-04 20:00:50 UTC
Jakey Son wrote:
Just decided I'd make a primarily miner alt...to help with cash-flow.
Until I realized I can't train both characters @ the same time.

Ok, fine. no quarrels there.

But it makes me think well, if I want to level up mining and go mine...I may as well make my MAIN character do it and make him as versatile as possible. Miner AND good with gunnery etc.


I understand people have 2 accounts, which is fine.

But a 2nd char on the same account. Any good reasons?

Cheers

I have a Jita alt who I send ISK to, that character buys what I need, contracts it back to me and then I contract it to my shipping contacts to get it into Null Sec. This prevents this character from having to leave Null sec to resupply.
London Kellerman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-04 20:03:56 UTC
This is about where I'm at as well. I think Aralyn, as well as many others, have gotten it spot on. I had one character for about a year, he can fly a few things, and has basic skills since I was new, and never really knew what to make of myself. I didn't give the game a shot and missed out on a lot back then. Then I created my "main" who has almost nothing compared to the rest of the universe but can be versatile, if not very specialized. Enough to keep me busy doing missions up to level 4, mining, transporting a few things but not in any fancy ships or with higher level fittings. The bonus to the alt still being around is if my main's corporation is ever at war, I have an way to ferry supplies about and keep things running.

Recently , I've discovered PI and manufacturing and such and I don't want to clutter up a skill book that is so all over the place I can't make sense of it. lol Plus I've decided I want a persona to specialize in something idle that I don't have to be logged in for. So I've opted to start a third and she will be specialty to those things, as well as being able to pilot some of the freighters to really move goods around. Once she is skilled enough, I'll go back to training as needed on my other pilots and just see where the world takes me.

I've been in EVE for nigh six years but have been in and out of playing for nearly half of that, and half-assed my skills for most of that time. lol I finally learned to use skill-planners and they've improved my feelings about what I'm doing. Right now, if you're still relatively new, you may want to play on a main and learn a bit before jumping to an alt or two. Get a hang of it and a feel for what you want since the universe in EVE really is your playground. I am finally treating EVE less like an immediately gratifying (I know, I'm sorry to even say the word here) WoW, and more like the long-term, in-depth, thoughtful entertainment that it is. Since I'm in it for the longer run, I shall be much happier not worrying about a few days here and there in training time or who's doing what. I guess I'm trying to relate an acceptable need for alts through personal experience but not an immediate rush to get them Big smile
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