Crime & Punishment

Legal counsel for the mafia have also often strenuously objected to the word racket. The "code" contains nothing which pertains to the behavior of gankers - ie you won't be "breaking" the code if you happened to shoot and pop a miner that was at keyboard, who had paid the racket money and was running the bio of shame.

Well, to be honest, until you showed up I didn't have any examples of blubbering idiots to showcase.

Thanks for volunteering, here's your prize.

*trout slaps the idiot*

Also, post with your main or GTFO.

Also also, no crying in the red, noob.

Avoiding these idiots is easy enough.

Option 1: Move 5 or so systems away. If they show up again Move once more this time warn them this harassment you have already attempted to get away from them once. If they show up again inform CCP GM. Don't forget each time to send a mail to james315 informing to have his sheep leave you alone.

Option 2: How much area can couple dozen pilots actually cover. Move far far away.

Option 3. Skill up the need skills to survive null, and move out there. Heck you avoid all the high sec griefers, and gankers and thanks to Dark Frog you don't need to move all your stuff on your own. Need something hope in a shuttle and go to Jita. Then have Dark Frog run your new ship/gear out to your new home.

You're stupid enough to pay these idiots you deserve to be ganked. Plain and simple.

"Godfrey of Bouillon was rumoured to have extorted money from the Jews of Cologne and Mainz, and many of the Crusaders wondered why they should travel thousands of miles to fight non-believers when there were already non-believers closer to home"--Tyerman, Christopher (2006). God's War: A New History of the Crusades. Cambridge: Belknap Press of Harvard University Press. ISBN 0-674-02387-0.

"The king's poverty was ever the alleged cause of his remissness; and two years after his dissolution of the association of English knights, he endeavoured to extort money from the clergy on the pretence of a journey to Syria"--Parthians, Sassanids, and Arabs, The crusades and the papacy pp 451-452 edited by Henry Smith Williams

"When our readers look back to the means employed in former crusades to extort money from all classes, as well as from the clergy, we think they will partake of our surprise at this assertion." The history of the crusades, Volume 3
By Joseph Fr. Michaud, William Robson p 26-27


3 minutes with google proves you wrong.

No...no, there are lots of really dumb people who don't fit tanks, orbit, or fit prop mods.

Cuts into the yield, ya know.

The ruling was pretty clear as to what constitutes harassment. Unless a bumping fleet is specifically following you, it will not be harassment. This means that if you flee the first system they arrive in, and just happen to be in the second they go to, it will not count as harassment. If you happen to be in a third system, and they haven't specifically scouted you, and aren't after you specifically, it still won't be harassment:



The key points in his ruling are "actively" and "at some point." None of your option 1 satisfies either of those, in terms of how the New Order bump fleets operate. Hope this information helps you grow to love the Order and encourages you to fit your own stabber to join in on the bumping fun!

I find it quite laughable that you think all the support the New Order has is just an 'army of alts'. It's evident enough on a twice-daily-updated blog that James and his Knights have quite the audience.

I would find the New Order very, VERY entertaining if their roleplaying was set more in the universe of New Eden, and not the game of Eve Online, if you catch my drift. I absolutely love the Eve lore, and James' blog treats it as a game, and doesn't have an in-universe story behind his movement.

They've tried, and failed.

I think really what it comes down to is that just because you don't LIKE what they're doing doesn't mean they should necessarily be PROHIBITED from doing it. The game world of eve actively promotes the ability to commit crime, scam, betray, and otherwise be a nasty, despicable person -- so long as it's all done IN GAME between CHARACTERS, within the established rules of the eve universe. So no sending real-world emails, no threatening the players, no hacking the game and trying to say "it was just my character hacking CONCORD", or anything like that.

I for one want as much "emergent content" as possible, even if that includes content that is a pain in the behind to deal with in-game. I want eve to be as different as possible from single-player space pirate/trading games. If I want one of those I'll install one and play it -- gods know I've played them all.

The hope is that people creating content like this will inspire others to create their own in-game content to add to or counter it. If this doesn't happen, that indicates a problem. Not a problem with the "bumpers" themselves, but maybe a problem with the structure of the game. There should be systems in place to encourage creation of content, not to make it difficult.

Really that was the point of me starting this thread. I was hoping perhaps to change the tone of the discussion away from "bumpers suck, they are just cowards and griefers" to "what can we do in-game to stop or counter them." Which, frankly, SHOULD be the discussion to have.