EVE General Discussion

CCP supports this game, all styles of gameplay involved. That means, they have to think many times, before they change something in favor of someones wish, because sometimes groups have conflicts of interests. Whole thing is similar to politics.

Its funny how people forget about the insurance removal that also came with them and the fact it is now more expensive than when we used tempests.

And what about all of the other years that this event occurred yet was not sponsored by us? The forum whine of "he kil my 325mil ship with 7mil ship" is what did it. Also don't forget the part that they could have tanked their ships and made themselves unprofitable to gank in the first place. The mining barge EHP buff was to specifically tell players "No, you cannot play the game that way."

well I don't know, were they not whining on the forums in previous years? was there the added factor of your CEO getting banned and goonswarm retaliating with a campaign of disruptive play?

also the retriever's tank was a papery husk. if a fail-fit can't survive a gank in a >0.7 system then it probably does need a buff to EHP to protect clueless noobs.

Yes, now they are all unprofitable to gank, where before the smart ones that forego yield for tank were unprofitable and we left them alone to go after the "MAX YIELD" or bust tards. Believe me, there were far more of the "max yield" types than the "I better protect my Hulk with some tanking mods." Your whole argument that "tanking mods is CCP's way of telling you "you couldn't play that way" is just idiotic.

Someone still has to show a highsec killmail that has an Exhumer that has forgone any yield for tank, from any of the Hulkageddons.(non wardeck) The simple fact that THERE AREN'T ANY is telling.

Oh jeez now people actually have to pick their ganks now, instead of ganking every barge for lulz. Are you really shocked they nerfed ganking after Hulkageddon/Burn Eden(or w/e it was called)? This is what happens when you abuse a mechanic to the point of redundancy.

Okay paste the training plan with remaps and all right here for us as well as the income plan to generate enough isk to fund the ship all in the same period of time.

The bolded part is plain untruth. There already was much effort required and risk:reward in target picking. You'd have to have a warp in, an alt to move your stash of ships, a scanning alt to make sure the ship wasn't tanked and estimate your chances of success. You'd need to do ask yourself if the drop chance is worth the gank attempt. Much like hauling the ganker had control of their risk:reward ratios before the massive ganking nerfs. That thing you said about freighters is the same exact thing applied to miners. Those that tanked were not profitable, those that didn't were profitable. It's not about a plain hull being profitable its about people forgoing tank, maximizing their risk, to increase their yeild, maximizing reward. It was balanced high risk : high reward, now its been smashed by CCP, low risk : high reward because barges are now intrinsically tanked.

CCP never intended for supercapitals to be used as they are today but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. CCP never intended for nullsec to turn into garbage but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. CCP never intended for lowsec to turn into garbage but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. CCP never intended for AFK mining but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. Do you see why CCP never intended "X" is a bad argument? They are using players to create content for their game so their intentions have no bearing on what is going on or how something is used.

That wasn't my argument. Someone tried to pass off CCP making barges unprofitable to gank as "CCP telling him how to play".

By all means, go ahead and gank the barges fitting Ore Strip Miners. Do you have any kind of argument as to why mining ships should be the only T2 fitted ships in hi-sec that are profitable to gank?

You can be certain that if people suddenly started ganking T2 fitted pirate and faction mission BS, that CCP would do the same.

It has nothing to do with CCP telling you how you can or can't play, and everything to do with CCP enforcing their vision of how hi-sec ganking should work in EVE.

Unless of course you want to argue that any rule and mechanic in EVE is CCP "telling you ho to play"

that needs more than 2 seconds in evemon i'm kind of losing interest in internet argument.

rich noob buys PLEX. I win now?