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Yet Another AFK Cloaking Nerf Related Idea:
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2013-02-03 19:34:47 UTC
Thutmose I wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

And no-one will use them for this, as they'll be paying a billion ISK for virtually no practical use outside of some INCREDIBLY niche situations.


No-one will ever use titans, they have to pay out 70 billion isk, and are only used for some INCREDIBLY niche situations.



Wait, what?

How is requiring a fragile one billion isk ship to be on the field with a fleet in order to spot incoming bombers in any way the same as using a supercap? A bomber gang can't kill a super, but they'll mess up a blops pretty well. Hunting for AFK cloakers would take hours, as you keep saying, and wouldn't it be easy enough to get around that by just pointing your covops upwards and leaving it in motion?



Do bombers (and dictors I guess) really need the nerf? And yes, telling people the bombers are on grid so they should warp out now before they're set up properly IS a nerf.
Thutmose I
Rattium Incorporated
#62 - 2013-02-03 19:42:52 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Thutmose I wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

And no-one will use them for this, as they'll be paying a billion ISK for virtually no practical use outside of some INCREDIBLY niche situations.


No-one will ever use titans, they have to pay out 70 billion isk, and are only used for some INCREDIBLY niche situations.



Wait, what?

How is requiring a fragile one billion isk ship to be on the field with a fleet in order to spot incoming bombers in any way the same as using a supercap? A bomber gang can't kill a super, but they'll mess up a blops pretty well. Hunting for AFK cloakers would take hours, as you keep saying, and wouldn't it be easy enough to get around that by just pointing your covops upwards and leaving it in motion?



Do bombers (and dictors I guess) really need the nerf? And yes, telling people the bombers are on grid so they should warp out now before they're set up properly IS a nerf.


Not supercap, Titan. Besides bridging, titans have a very niche mechanic associated with them for the sole purpose of destroying caps. Before the DD change it was not as limited, though arguably overpowered.

The range limitations mentioned help make it not so much of a nerf to the bombers, as you would be unable to determine whether they are setting up, or just sitting around. If the enemy was going to run away every time they noticed bombers nearby, then they would get nothing done, so the bombers still succeed at disrupting the enemy.

If the afk ship is moving while afk, it will be easy to locate, as you can scan down where it is moving, by noticing when it gets out of certain ranges, assuming that the D-scan for this only has 20-100km or so precision.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-02-03 21:13:16 UTC
There is no logical reason to implement this suggestion. Free intel already exists.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#64 - 2013-02-04 05:11:12 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Kodiii wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Why is this needed and what problem are you trying to solve?


Dude I see you saying this in lots of these threads.

Obviously, you've noticed there are many. Therefore, don't you think that it might be a problem that there are so many people being made unhappy by this? Personally, I don't find it that hard to deal with it, although I generally don't risk doing the little ratting that I do in my more expensive ships when I have cloakers in system. I just take it as time to pvp instead and leave the system that they are camping.

Yes CCP isn't the biggest fan of nerfing things to make certain game mechanics easier for a percentage of the player base (although think of things like doomsday nerfing and POS fuel blocks), it is in their interests to keep people from rage-quitting from the game. You can call people who are complaining whatever you like, they are still paying for the game and are therefore part of the stakeholders that CCP takes account for.


This is a very fair and minimalistic idea, but you haven't even taken that into account yet.


As for my opinion, I think it's a pretty good idea. There could be something included also that makes it hard to dscan their location by either limiting the distance they can be detected, or by making it only possible to detect them in maybe a certain direction (like 90 degrees scan and less for instance).


the problem in most afk cloaker threads is not the afk cloaker, but the fact that null bears think they should be allowed to rat in null sec without any interruptions


I am all for afk gameplay, as a matter of fact, if theyre allowed to afk grief... (which i do on some alts because ccp gives no fucks) Everyone should be allowed to bot rat/mine... tada! now both sides can play afk forever, griefers can occasionally get a good hot drop when they're there for the 1% of the time theyre online to actually do something, and the qqing carebears get to make isk until then without having to manually dock up/safe up trying to be smart. This resolves the need to nerf afk grief play cloaks, and no longer gives carebears the need to cry cus they can go afk too!

Win/win, one step closer to god mode afk griefers against endless isk stream afk farmers. :D (for those who go "afk dont hurt nobody" reread what i said bout the 1% of the time they do show up at their computers)


Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-02-04 11:21:19 UTC
Iminent Penance wrote:
(for those who go "afk dont hurt nobody" reread what i said bout the 1% of the time they do show up at their computers)





They're not AFK when they're at their computers. Hope this helps.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-02-04 13:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
There's something hugely amusing about people crying about risk-averse cloakers when the instant one pops up, the very same people dock up (risk averse much?) and flock to the forums to cry about it Lol