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Give Cloaking the ASB / AAR treatment

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#81 - 2013-02-03 05:07:01 UTC
Tornadari Axonium wrote:
If you jump into an enemy system, EVERYTHING you see on scan is going to be hostile so you do not need local for the most part. Local has 0 advantage to them but it is basically a requirement for the people on the other side.

If local does not announce your presence then how can people know to even look for you to begin with?

Sensors. Teamwork. Strategy.

Gatecamps at bottlenecks is the most obvious tactic, followed by scanning patrols sweeping for cloaked as well as non cloaked hostiles.

How much effort is an alliance's PvE support structure worth?
Tornadari Axonium
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-02-03 05:08:57 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Tornadari Axonium wrote:
If you jump into an enemy system, EVERYTHING you see on scan is going to be hostile so you do not need local for the most part. Local has 0 advantage to them but it is basically a requirement for the people on the other side.

If local does not announce your presence then how can people know to even look for you to begin with?

Sensors. Teamwork. Strategy.

Gatecamps at bottlenecks is the most obvious tactic, followed by scanning patrols sweeping for cloaked as well as non cloaked hostiles.

How much effort is an alliance's PvE support structure worth?


So your suggestion is have people on gatecamps at every single bottle neck in sov 24/7 to counter 30 cloakies spread over a region?

How can you sweep for unscannable ships cloaked up in safes between celestials or between 2 other safes?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-02-03 05:09:30 UTC
I didn't realize that WH were restricted to only two corps and that no one will SB attach wormhole dwellers for fun, keeping a covert ops scanning alt in there to constantly find the exit and bring in more gear.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Tornadari Axonium
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-02-03 05:11:13 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I didn't realize that WH were restricted to only two corps and that no one will SB attach wormhole dwellers for fun, keeping a covert ops scanning alt in there to constantly find the exit and bring in more gear.


Isn't that like, completely irrelevant? I never said 2 corps so i have no idea what you mean like that.

WH space is supposed to be dangerous and have very little intel support because the rewards are so ******* high.
Hun Jakuza
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-02-03 05:22:05 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Tornadari Axonium wrote:
If you jump into an enemy system, EVERYTHING you see on scan is going to be hostile so you do not need local for the most part. Local has 0 advantage to them but it is basically a requirement for the people on the other side.

If local does not announce your presence then how can people know to even look for you to begin with?

Sensors. Teamwork. Strategy.

Gatecamps at bottlenecks is the most obvious tactic, followed by scanning patrols sweeping for cloaked as well as non cloaked hostiles.

How much effort is an alliance's PvE support structure worth?



Sensors ? Against cloaker ships ? ROTFL

Teamwork ? Maybe the full memberships will be logged on everytime?? What happen when just few member is active ?
They do nothing ?

Strategy ? What strategy ? Keep fleets always up in 24/7 in every system and just wait for cloakers when will be attack? When they have many spies at all biggest alliances and know everything ? LOL
You dont know nothing from this game, if talk these stupid things.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#86 - 2013-02-03 06:03:41 UTC
Hun Jakuza wrote:

Sensors ? Against cloaker ships ? ROTFL

Teamwork ? Maybe the full memberships will be logged on everytime?? What happen when just few member is active ?
They do nothing ?

Strategy ? What strategy ? Keep fleets always up in 24/7 in every system and just wait for cloakers when will be attack? When they have many spies at all biggest alliances and know everything ? LOL


I marvel why CCP do not simply credit their daily quote of ISK from farming directly in their wallet for these people.

I mean: hey, they already have to deal with rats all day long, then also strangers abbusively cloacked in their systems... not like one can really demand they have ALSO to log in, play, take risks and work together for their 0.0 systems.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2013-02-03 06:54:53 UTC
HERES A BRILLIANT IDEA

your in nullsec, im assuming you have that space because you have a military that can defend it.

so your left with 3 very valid options:

1) have a pvp-fitted buddy sit with you, give him a cut of your profits, he doesnt even have to BE there, just a pvp ship ongrid will scare off many cloakers.

2) rat in a pvp fit (it works, really it does), or mine with a point and buddies in a nearvy sustem

3) (my favorite) have an alt or soem buddies log off ongrid with you, then sit on the character screen, when he comes ongrid to attack you, web/scram him with your miner/rat ship so your buddies can log on and FRAG HIM TO DEATH.

all fo these, as a "valid" 0.0 power, are available to you.

if a hostile can waltz into "your" space and attack you without discrimination, then it ISNT YOUR SPACE.


and as a FINAL NOTE, ANY PVP SHIP WITH A CLOAK IS INERENTLY GIMPED BECAUSE OF 1 LESS HIGHSLOT, even fits that use a utility high, its one slot less for neuts/vamps. and most ships that can fit a cloak comfortably already suffer from poor base stats.





Final note 2: im seriosuly getting tired of nullbears whining that cloaking is OP simply because they want perfect safety for 50 systems around without having to use a military to defend it, its even worse than high-sec bears whining about gankers.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-02-03 08:27:32 UTC
Maybe people should stop asking for cloak to be nerfed and instead be thinking about asking for a counter of some sort. Like, I don't know... a new T2 type or something? T2 version of the new destroyers built around tracking down cloaked targets or something? Kind of would fit the theme of retribution I guess? Advanced Radar is what they could be called. Would it be necessary though? Hell if I know, I just know nerfing cloaks directly seems a reeeeeally silly idea to me. Maybe give the people who actually know this stuff an actual idea to talk about rather than "I don't like this, nerf it until its garbage."
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-02-03 08:38:12 UTC
People keep saying they want to be able to hunt afk cloakers so they can "pvp".


Untill they decloak a HIC that lights a cyno and unloads a fleet on them.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-02-03 08:54:22 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
People keep saying they want to be able to hunt afk cloakers so they can "pvp".


Untill they decloak a HIC that lights a cyno and unloads a fleet on them.


Well yes, kind of is a no brainer for a small group to flee in terror when a force ten times their size appears. Because that would be the smart, non-suicidal thing to do.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-02-03 08:57:23 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
People keep saying they want to be able to hunt afk cloakers so they can "pvp".


Untill they decloak a HIC that lights a cyno and unloads a fleet on them.


Well yes, kind of is a no brainer for a small group to flee in terror when a force ten times their size appears. Because that would be the smart, non-suicidal thing to do.

My point is they will still cower in fear of cloaking vessels as long as they can see them in local. If CCP adds a way to hunt cloakers the cloakers will just adapt to make hunting them a very risky propostion.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-02-03 08:59:29 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
People keep saying they want to be able to hunt afk cloakers so they can "pvp".


Untill they decloak a HIC that lights a cyno and unloads a fleet on them.


Well yes, kind of is a no brainer for a small group to flee in terror when a force ten times their size appears. Because that would be the smart, non-suicidal thing to do.

My point is they will still cower in fear of cloaking vessels as long as they can see them in local. If CCP adds a way to hunt cloakers the cloakers will just adapt to make hunting them a very risky propostion.


Part of the reason why I would suggest a counter strategy being added rather than a flat out nerf actually if anything is done at all. Because it'd still take effort and have risk involved.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-02-03 09:03:34 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
People keep saying they want to be able to hunt afk cloakers so they can "pvp".


Untill they decloak a HIC that lights a cyno and unloads a fleet on them.


Well yes, kind of is a no brainer for a small group to flee in terror when a force ten times their size appears. Because that would be the smart, non-suicidal thing to do.

My point is they will still cower in fear of cloaking vessels as long as they can see them in local. If CCP adds a way to hunt cloakers the cloakers will just adapt to make hunting them a very risky propostion.


Part of the reason why I would suggest a counter strategy being added rather than a flat out nerf actually if anything is done at all. Because it'd still take effort and have risk involved.

Glad to see at least one person gets what I'm saying.
Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#94 - 2013-02-03 11:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Iminent Penance
Cloaking = invincible afking, but it wont be nerfed because you cant realistically mine or rat while afk cloaking! Get over it.

If you could bot with it to make isk, itd be fixed tomorrow. But it is only useful for griefing, so its fine (if it were used for general pvp everyone would be fine with the 5 minute reactivate timer or fuel to make it... utility, not godmode).

That's eve.

Don't undock a ship you cant afford to lose........ unless it has a cloak on it..

Would be nice to be able to hunt cloaked ships though, all the lazy supers would drop like flies (and auto afk bots that only cloak at safespots).... Many good kills to be had
Evanga
DoctorOzz
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#95 - 2013-02-03 12:27:06 UTC
/me activates his Tear Harvester II

..

"Notify: Tear harvester is deactivating due to too many tears, your tears bay is full"


Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#96 - 2013-02-03 12:31:46 UTC
Hun Jakuza wrote:



Sensors ? Against cloaker ships ? ROTFL

Teamwork ? Maybe the full memberships will be logged on everytime?? What happen when just few member is active ?
They do nothing ?

Strategy ? What strategy ? Keep fleets always up in 24/7 in every system and just wait for cloakers when will be attack? When they have many spies at all biggest alliances and know everything ? LOL
You dont know nothing from this game, if talk these stupid things.


u sir, belong in hi-sec.

its funny when they try to pretend that they want to find cloakers so they can have more PvP. yet they refuse to bait because they are afraid of the cyno. and the only PvP they partake in is when they are backed up by 'the blob'.

not PvP averse at all.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-02-03 13:09:07 UTC
At this point it would be so funny to run a bot in a hostile system, it would steal isk when no one is in system and would safe up and cloak when anyone enters as they would never be blue, then it would prevent the controlling alliance from making any isk because the dreaded AFK cloaker is in system.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Titch Gunnarson
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-02-03 13:21:00 UTC
this is the dumbest thread ever...





































EVER
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2013-02-03 13:31:01 UTC
FA and TEST complaining about this. Let's have a look at dotlan, shall we?

FA hold sov in 76 systems.

TEST hold sov in 183 systems.



What, exactly, is stopping you two from just...going somewhere else? I know you're too scared to undock with someone not blue in system, but are you really too scared to go elsewhere?


(And Hun, you are the person I am most tempted to AWOX in the entire CFC. Get. Out.)
Hun Jakuza
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-02-03 14:40:17 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Hun Jakuza wrote:



Sensors ? Against cloaker ships ? ROTFL

Teamwork ? Maybe the full memberships will be logged on everytime?? What happen when just few member is active ?
They do nothing ?

Strategy ? What strategy ? Keep fleets always up in 24/7 in every system and just wait for cloakers when will be attack? When they have many spies at all biggest alliances and know everything ? LOL
You dont know nothing from this game, if talk these stupid things.


u sir, belong in hi-sec.....


Telling to me a noob alt who has 33kills empire kms and his effiency is a piece of sh*t:D
Thats our differences, i'm living in 0.0 and your charater live in high sec, and i'm not lurking behind and alt.
First, you need to try write a post with your main, if you want for anybody to take your message seriously.