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Empyrean Age/Templar One Questions
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Kwan Enderas
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-02 03:27:03 UTC
Here's a nice pile of questions for anyone willing to answer (much appreciated if you do)

Empyrean Age
1. So it seems pretty clear the the jove ship in the epilogue is Grious. The chapter seems to say that he came through the Eve Gate.... whats the deal with that?

Templar One
1. Sun surrounded by structure drawing energy from it.... Since this seems to be in the virtual world, I'm guessing this is an example of the Architects using their VR world to conduct experiments?

2. What causes the destruction seen by Jror in the VR world (City burning etc.)?

3. Seems to be pretty clear that Black eyed creatures in VR world are all things born in the VR, like The Other, so how are there then black eyed creatures in the sleeper station in the real world when the Amarrians get there? My only thought is that they must have been those who supported the other in the real world, as Grious has black eyes like that.

4. Any clue what The Other, and the other Other's, are warning the architects about?

5. There's a passage where Grious describes the way Jovians are not "born", he then mentions the two laws of VR world (must have been born in real world and must have a body to go back to). Then Jror notices that they are not only committing genocide by harvesting the Sleeper "corpses" but also screwing over societal "norms". What do any of these three things have to do with each other honestly? What norms is he referring to? Also, these laws seem odd, because they seem to imply that they were perfectly aware that there could be "Others" born in VR. Why else would they make those two rules?

6. Two mysteries seemingly intentionally unrevealed. First what happened to 1st Jove Empire. Also, how the Architects prevented the Jovians from following them anymore. Any thoughts? Book seems to indicate, as well, that Enheduanni split up with Architects to go meddle with other young races, so did the Architects fly themselves to w-space?

7. Seems odd that the Architects had to be put to sleep to deal with the long journey to Heaven constellation but the Enheduanni were fine with being awake for that journey. ?

8. Finally, they say Jovians are descended from Architects in one passage, but everything else implies that they were two separate groups from Terra, and that the Architects were merely super-engineers brought in for stargate construction and the Enheduanni were just another group whose claim to fame seems to be the capability to deal with really long space flights. ?
Boston Bradley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-04 06:12:01 UTC
The answer for #2 is due to the mass removal of conductive materials from sleeper sites. They stated this in the book with a single sentence. So all those pretty T3 ships everyone is flying around is actually data, memory, and people homes taken from the VR.
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-04 15:02:30 UTC
Boston Bradley wrote:
The answer for #2 is due to the mass removal of conductive materials from sleeper sites. They stated this in the book with a single sentence. So all those pretty T3 ships everyone is flying around is actually data, memory, and people homes taken from the VR.

Ouch. I'll now definitely think twice about buying one of those shiny T3 ships...
Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2013-02-04 18:57:13 UTC
MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD. DON'T SCROLL IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY.



Empyrean Age
1. This seems to be a misinterpretation. The way I read it, he was trying to fly INTO the Gate, not flying out of it.

Templar One
1. Or a potential power source. Remember, in EA, the drones went towards the sun to harvest the isogen-5. Could be that caches and machines were normally hidden near suns with Sleeper tech. Their armor tech is super impressive.

2. The virtual world is created by the compounded minds of the Sleeper race. They all come together to create their cities. Taking out the still living bodies of the sleepers to harvest their implants is destroying their way of life, their cities, and their loved ones.

3. First, the Other never was in the real world. It was born within the Virtual World. Therefore it didn't really have "supporters." Second, the black eyed creatures could potentially be preserved Enheduanni caretakers. If you remember, the Enheduanni were basically a race of care takers for the Architects while they slept before the Enheduanni ran a monopoly on the Architects.
They controlled them while they slept physically and dreamed and lived. They dreamed and lived in a state where time went on for hundreds of years in the Virtual World, but only maybe...a year passed in the real world. So, they put a tight noose on the Architects to make oodles of monies (or whatever they wanted). Left over caretakers could likely have been in the stations, still looking over their investments.

4. Trying to wake them, force them awake from their fake world and make them face reality to be a glorious real race. Kind of like us as players. NO PLAY THIS WAY IT'S THE RIGHT WAY IMMA FORCE YOU.

5. The norms could be the laws for living within a VR. One MUST have a real body to retreat to and nothing can be born within the VR world. That's why the Other is hated so much. So Grious mentioning not being born is the same kind of thing with the Sleepers. Nothing can be born there in the VR...well it shouldn't anyway. I mean, we make laws all the time, but some ******* goes and breaks them right?

6. Who knows what happened tot he 1st Jove Empire? As for the Architects running, well...they realized they were being used and bounced to w-space. Wouldn't you?

7. They seemed to be a caretaker race. Could have been genetically modified, or perhaps they were put in a form of cryo sleep that was not so deep or all encompassing?

8. You may have misread. The Architects were a Jove off shot apparently. They were super VR enthusiast I believe and just lived differently.

hth

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Per Bastet
B.O.O.M
#5 - 2013-02-04 19:27:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD. DON'T SCROLL IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY.



Empyrean Age
1. This seems to be a misinterpretation. The way I read it, he was trying to fly INTO the Gate, not flying out of it.

Templar One
1. Or a potential power source. Remember, in EA, the drones went towards the sun to harvest the isogen-5. Could be that caches and machines were normally hidden near suns with Sleeper tech. Their armor tech is super impressive.

2. The virtual world is created by the compounded minds of the Sleeper race. They all come together to create their cities. Taking out the still living bodies of the sleepers to harvest their implants is destroying their way of life, their cities, and their loved ones.

3. First, the Other never was in the real world. It was born within the Virtual World. Therefore it didn't really have "supporters." Second, the black eyed creatures could potentially be preserved Enheduanni caretakers. If you remember, the Enheduanni were basically a race of care takers for the Architects while they slept before the Enheduanni ran a monopoly on the Architects.
They controlled them while they slept physically and dreamed and lived. They dreamed and lived in a state where time went on for hundreds of years in the Virtual World, but only maybe...a year passed in the real world. So, they put a tight noose on the Architects to make oodles of monies (or whatever they wanted). Left over caretakers could likely have been in the stations, still looking over their investments.

4. Trying to wake them, force them awake from their fake world and make them face reality to be a glorious real race. Kind of like us as players. NO PLAY THIS WAY IT'S THE RIGHT WAY IMMA FORCE YOU.

5. The norms could be the laws for living within a VR. One MUST have a real body to retreat to and nothing can be born within the VR world. That's why the Other is hated so much. So Grious mentioning not being born is the same kind of thing with the Sleepers. Nothing can be born there in the VR...well it shouldn't anyway. I mean, we make laws all the time, but some ******* goes and breaks them right?

6. Who knows what happened tot he 1st Jove Empire? As for the Architects running, well...they realized they were being used and bounced to w-space. Wouldn't you?

7. They seemed to be a caretaker race. Could have been genetically modified, or perhaps they were put in a form of cryo sleep that was not so deep or all encompassing?

8. You may have misread. The Architects were a Jove off shot apparently. They were super VR enthusiast I believe and just lived differently.

hth



Was Coming in to answer questions, but see that it's already all answered.

+1 Like for you good sir

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