EVE General Discussion

This game isnt about PvP its about hand holding, smacktalking, docking games and botting

Change the game or lose subs thread# 108973450892341-298462143-98213457-21394687234698234707-971niner.

Except for the fact that many players do not understand that this game all of the regions intertwine into a single network. Without null hisec wont survive without hisec nullsec would be severely crippled. One needs the other. The issue with these areas of the game are in an imbalance.

Although i've never lived in nullsec i've done the hisec and lowsec thing. Now i currently reside in Wspace and even from my point of view? Hisec is the epitome of a low risk isk fountain. Where anyone with half a brain can get billions monthly with very little work. I have a blue that uses 3 hulks and an orca daily. within 4 DAYS in a month he has already plexed all of his toons. All because of hisec mining done very much unattentively.

While collectively lowsec indie ops and Wspace can easily make more than this if done correctly (just mining the gravs in Wspace produce over a billion average per site in ore). You need to pay attention at all times and there is a huge risk that even while not afk you can get your ships blown up and podded relatively fast. AFK outside of station/POS uncloaked means death in most cases. Though in hisec you pop drones out of 4 toons barges and go read a book until you hear "the asteroid has been depleted".

This isn't including lvl4 grinding with 1 character let alone 4 or 5

And you can't see issues with hisec vs the other areas in the game? Casual gameplay is very possible in all of these parts the issue is you cannot "casually" run lvl4 grinds or mine where we live and watch TV or write an essay


Edit: By the way. many lowsec/nullsec/Wspace players have hisec alts that help them either through isk making or hauling. They'd need to adapt just as much as hisec players would to any changes including me

Edit 2: In fact in addition to the one area relies on another to work. I honestly believe that Wspace is the only space in game that is the most self sustaining of the 4. The only thing you need is a supply of refined ice and moon goo and you can do anything in here (****** POSs aside) hell you even get supplies of mercoxit and PI

Oh, I do respect 0-sec players for the risk they take (and the rare minerals, BPO's/BPCs and other tech they bring in :P).
But like you say yourself - they chose to. And as someone else in another thread already stated (correctly in my opinion) - 0-sec USED to be very dangerous to explore. With those power-alliances? Way less so if you're in one of said alliances.

@Shamus: Agree with you there - hence why I'm amazed. People who are only suggesting for their own benefit, and not for the game as a whole. In about every game so far that I've played I've attempted to think up things that benefit everyone - and there were also always people in major alliances who also attempted not to only benefit themselves, but the game population as a whole to keep the game thriving. Here? I only need to look at the General Discussion to see the amount of people preaching for their own parochy.

I don't mind that people want a little benefit for themselves. Although it's not smart in the long run if done too often, it's no direct harm. It gets different however with the aggressive attitude that gets shown here as in 'PvP is the way this game revolves around'. Certainly, it gives a lot of sales of stuff. But also PvE-people lose and buy stuff. Also miners lose stuff, as do transport haulers. Everyone loses and gains stuff once in a while.

The point here is that all of this minus PVE players who dont pay close attention all involve PVP. without PVP the market would be destroyed. The bare essense of everything EVE would be gone and no matter what you do in this game you wouldnt be able to keep playing. In fact ill put it this way. If the CFC and the HBC went into a long awaited (and wanted by many) sov war, those PVErs and miners/indie players would be having a field day with sales! Players who rely on the market would rejoice as myrmidons and tempests prices would be half of what they are now

I actually agree with some nullseccers. A revamp of nullsec needs to happen to make it alive again while hisec needs a decrease in use as an isk fountain (and an indie paradise). If done correctly nullsec would thrive as self sustainable and excess resources would still be sold in hisec for all the hisec indie/PVE players as this would be a new way of nullsec players making isk (Though in a 100% self sustainable alliance down there you would not necessarily need isk. It all depends on how it played out)

The "disrespect" towards casuals is an illusion, as most casuals play...casually and don't crap up the forums with "EVE would get more subs if only you change the game to cater more to me".

The "disrespect" is directed towards people who really don't like EVE the way it is and think it would be so much better...it it wasn't EVE.

I'm a mostly PVE player, the difference between me and the people who get "disrespected" is that I accept that I am a PVE'r in a game that features non-consensual pvp and people can and will try to kill me anywhere. Even in high sec I don't expect perfect safety and take precautions. I don't expect the game to conform to me, I conform to the realities of the game. I have prospered because of that.

The people that get "disrespected" think there is some problem with the game and it's community. While smart progress is good and dandy, the game is fine, it is the attitude of some of it's players that is off.



No it is not, it (in particular the non-consensual aspect of it) is a core aspect of the game. you don't have top pvp yourself, but you MUST accept that you are vulnerable to it everytime you undock anywhere.

The people who get "disrespected" reject this core aspect of the game and ask that it be changed. This is why they get "disrespected".

As another poster correctly said, the "casuals" and others who play the game however they want and accept the way the game is when they get "interacted" with are fine. It's the whiners and complainers and self centered "change the game to prevent my unhappiness, BECAUSE ITS A GAME AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE FUN" people who get the disrespect.

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I don't deny that some changes have to happen :) (For example, I tried to contribute with https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2550204#post2550204)

However, it shouldn't be a one-way ticket. Both high-sec profits are too high too quickly, but also null-sec is completely locked in such a way that competitive 0-secwarfare is about to a standstill. While taking a margin off high-sec profits will make 0-sec mining and manufacturing more viable, you can't expect that people will go to 0-sec in the knowledge they'll have a big chance to get crushed by one of the major 0-sec alliances, especially if they happen to pick the wrong system.
It should be AND-AND, not HAVE-NOT.

Edit: I guess I should have phrased this better. If you want people to partake in 0-sec, it should be more open for everyone. With the current power-stalemate, noone is being helped, and suggestions to have 0-sec overtake the high-sec administration isn't helping either.

You took this 15 steps farther than i was explaining it out to be as. With the proper revamp of nullsec and hisec rework you'd still have what you want in hisec. In fact indie players would have more free build/research slots as all the null alts would use well... NULLSEC instead of hisec for what they need. On top of this you would not lose all of the hiends nullsec supplies as they would use excess resources for sale in jita etc as their main income. Hisec would keep on turning the way it is without any issue to gameplay.

And yes if 100% of PVP was taken away the game would fail. Me losing a cane requires me to build another (or buy one from you)

scary huh? almost a full page and i havent seen one from goonswarm yet


Damn... posted right below the first

The reason a lot of players seem to only make suggestions that benefit themselves may have a lot to do with the level of specialization in the game. Of course a wormhole or nullsec player will be more impassioned and informed about the aspects of the game that effect him. As would a miner or mission-runner. I couldn't tell you the first thing about trading or manufacturing. Or PVP, for that matter (I suuuuuuuuuuuuck).