Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Interesting that a MHMC/PN member is complaining about high clone costs. Don't the "players" you have operating in the Metropolis region feed you enough money from their mining operations? I have seen your alliance members just yesterday each sitting in a belt with one retriever just sucking a roid down. And not the same belt. No. Different belts. One ship each.

And, not only that, but some of your corpmates take high offense to anyone else mining in what they refer to as "their belts". Stating that it is "rude to mine in a belt that someone is already mining in". In fact, a very close friend of mine was set to -10 for this very reason by two of your own alliance members from SSS2 (Sanford and Son Salvage).

When I was told about this I came out to investigate the situation and I found the information to be true. I find 7 different belts in one system all with one ship, sometimes two (one mining ship and one Orca), happily and lazily mining away. I also find your Orcas sitting on station grid for hours at a time. When I checked other nearby systems I find the same thing happening in those belts, as well. Aren't you making enough money from this?

I am not making any accusations here. All the things I have stated are true and have been witnessed with my own camera drones. I am also not saying you are abusing any game mechanics or violating any part of the EULA/ToS. However, I am planning on personally flagging you and notifying other entities in the hopes they have some fun messing with you (*whispers* "minerbumping.com").

I hope your NWO contracts are up to date for each of your "employees".

Clone costs are inline with the amount of money a person can make with a higher skilled pilot.

Clone costs are also inline with the amount of money a person can make with a lower skilled pilot. A new character will have well over 1mil ISK after completing the Military Career agent mission arc (all 10 missions). This task should only take a few hours. New pilots should not be too susceptible to getting podkilled within the first few hours of gameplay, provided they are taking care to stay out of harm's way while performing 10 very simple (and educational) missions and earning over 1mil ISK (plus free ships, mods, and skillbooks). 1.2xx mil ISK to be exact when I last ran tests. So, ONCE YOUR CHARACTER BREAKS 900K SPs, you can effectively get podded 20 times and still be able to afford your clone each time just with a few hours of "work".

Thank you.

So you're basically saying it's a dumb choice for him to use a frig? Please give me one reason why that being a dumb thing to do is good for gameplay. Seth Hendar explained very well why it's not, which is why I had to quote the unmanipulated version under this. Besides, my main character got 30m SP. I earn as much as most 100m characters often do. That is simply because I'm specialized in incursioning and missioning. Therefore I'm also able to cover my losses in case of getting podded way quicker than the 100m characters. And I do spend quite a bit on PvP. You don't seem to take that argument into count. Most 100m SP characters have paid for their game time to get to their SP count. Sure they got more opportunities, but it does not mean that they will earn more than a 20m character! I think CCP see this problem, as this post indicates.

You saw me mining in a Retreiver when?
No you didnt, so shut the bull.

What people in the corp/alliance is doing is their business, I do not dictate their operations.
And I am sure the people mining are fully capable of filling their own wallets without touching mine.

Well clones are being looked at. CCP simply do not like their current form and cost. So we'll simply have to wait and see what we get.

Incorrect.

I am saying it is a poorly thought out position to ask for lower clone costs. You didn't read all the posts did you?

Thank you.

I'd sign that.
Silly thing is, for us with high Isk clones, the insurance is a joke anyway (t2/t3 ships and modules).

Always been so, it's how EVE works. Engaging a fight have to be something to worry about. Risks, costs and possible consequences always been something to consider and, eventually, a deterrent. it's what give sense to EvE fights, is not a free frag arena.

This could be softned increasing the "consensual PVP" elements in the game. CCP prefers to do the same reducing the consequences. ISK faucets, huge passive incomes and revamping ship so to make cheaper ones more competitive in PVP is just this: indirectly making EVE more soft and more "consensual". Making death penalities less relevant, losses trivial and reducing their "drammatic" magnitude goes in the "fluffy" direction.

it's not a good direction.

This can be good cause lower the bar for new players that can access the better part of EVE sooner instead of having to be stucked for months (and eventually quit) in something boring. But is a no-no if related to older players and is in general a decay. It's not a good direction.

Everything in EVE is more cheap today in respect of 2-3 years ago, ISK are not a problem for anyone, and this is bad. So it's fun to hear such arguments from "veteran" palyers.

It seems that your idea of pennies and mine are VERY different.

I'm about to hit the point where my clones are going to start costing me 30M. This would take me about 5 hours of solid game play to make, using 3 accounts to do it. Considering that I pretty much only play for about 1 or 2 hours a week, sometimes I have entire weekends that I play for, but mostly a casual player. So you're saying that a nearly a month of game play is pennies??????

And I've played my toons since I created them, I have not bought them. High SP and Hence High ISK cost for clones is what is killing small ship gang PvP.(would love to go on that Frigate roam through Null/LS with the boys, however then I will have to grind ISK for a month to just to re-coop the loss/s)

As for the idiots saying just create a low SP alt for PvP, get with it, the entire reason this is required in the first place is because of the idiotically high Clone Costs.

Fix the Clones costs and then we can all just PvP in whatever ship we want on our MAINS.

Surely with lower clones costs, there will be more PvP, and with more PvP means that there is more Stuff destroyed, hence reducing the number of items in the game. And some of those items being Implants, which will be in of itself and ISK sink, when players buy more of them from LP Stores/etc

So you are not good at making ISK in game and PvP is too expensive for you. And CCP should make combat and loss more affordable. Hell, lets just make ships free to, and implants. People want to PvP in a dangerous environment where loss matters but they don't want to risk anything to do it. Those two things are not compatible.

In order for Eve combat to be meaningful it must have risk. If you want to go on a few roams and not grind ISK for a month there is an answer, just buy/sell a PLEX and use that ISK only for clones. At 30 million per clone 20$ US will get you 16 clones. That's a little bit more than the micro transactions for DUST players, and I think a fair trade for several nights of stress free combat if that is what your after.