EVE General Discussion

No they are not, the role of carriers changed a few releases ago - they are support, logistic ships not offensive ships...sorry...

As the numbers show, most of them actually would anyway — the problem isn't really the proposed change, but that there are inherent imbalances between the fighters that get massively amplified by the change.

If they fixed those imbalances, the change could probably go through without causing that many problems.

Decisions like this should be done with time and a lot of ponderation. CCP since i started playing have done things like this, people complain about x being underpowered and they buff it, then, people complain that is overpowered and after a few months nerf it to oblivion. That's not the way of balancing the game, things should be tested and analised properly.

0.0 balance stuff is a good example of CCP trial and error procedure. Every ship should have their role in the field and that can't change every time people complain, anyway if some specific type of ship needs a adjustment that should not compromise their role in the field (taking in consideration their cost of production and time investment skill wise and other factors).

actually there are many many characters that were dedicated capital only pilots.

If you dont like it, unsub. I unsubbed 2 accounts after the anom nerf. Just wasnt worth having them anymore.


Thats what CCP suggest you do: remember they monitor actions, not opinions. UNSUB.

UNSUUUUUUUUB!

It looks like the Fighter nerf part of the expansion won't happen (DEV comment in DEV blog discussion)
And as far as giving carriers a job besides logistics.
Well I have an idea which should do a very nice job of it if I can get some feed back and maybe a comment from CCP.
Please see my signature and post in that thread.

And if this is considered a cross post , well sorry about that.

They're not completely obsolete by any means,

and besides.. technological change makes all sorts of RL skills and equipment investment rather obsolete all the time.

In general, the more specific your expertise, the more likely you'll need to be constantly learning just to remain useful with your past knowlege giving you some perpective in how to employee new skills certainly (that is more your experience as a player, not a character).

Programmers need to learn new languages or updates to their language.. they don't get reimbursed for their study of one computer language when another becomes the new standard they need to know to stay useful if things shift against what they know. Orthopedic surgeons need to learn to use new equiupment and new procedures to continue to be the best in their field.. while their general knowledge of medicine , poise in an operating room etc is still hugely pertinent, they might suddenly find that their steady hand needs to be complimented with new learning in the use of lasers and camera and joystick driven orthoscopic devices.

TLDR they more skills you have at the most advanced levels, the more risk you shoudl know you're taking at the specialized levels.

You trained for a FOTM and have now, rightly, had your god mode taken away from you. You deserve nothing as super will still be used, they simply wont be able to steamroll everything before them and can be countered by more than just a bigger blob of supers.

HTFU

It's not CCP's, or anyone else's problem that you chose to "min/max" a flavour of the month that everyone knew was grossly over-powered, and now have to deal with the consequences of its' finally being brought into something resembling balance.

EVE is ALL about weighing the consequences vs. the rewards of a given choice, and adjusting for same as they may change in a dynamic, evolving universe.

You have made a choice, now you must reap the consequences.

How do you say "Harden The F Up" in Russian?

The nearest equivalent I get is:

"Затвердейте кровопролитный ад вверх!"

And, once again: Read the EULA--where it is stated explicitly that CCP bears you no obligation whatsoever in just such a situation.

This.

And to be fair, I didn't particularly agree with the fighter nerf, either. I also believe that supers should be able to field a full flight of 20 fighter and fighter-bombers. Kind of silly if they can't.

I would like to see some base stats on thsoe that are crap, and then bonuses to the relevant ships that when combined with skills, make them useful and relevant in their intended role.

I"m feeling a little more conciliatory now. So I will say that I can understand being frustrated with the changes if you're a super pilot. But what did you expect was gonna happen? You pay for OP stuff, its gonna get nerfed. You can still fly the stuff. It just won't omgwtfbbqpwn everything in sight.

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