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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1 - 2011-10-10 22:56:34 UTC
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-10 22:59:38 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.

Did you reward CCP when scaps were more powerful?

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#3 - 2011-10-10 23:00:03 UTC
lol @ fotm chasers

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-10 23:01:20 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.

Did you reward CCP when scaps were more powerful?

Whoa...a good post from The Apostle. These are truly the end times.

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Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#5 - 2011-10-10 23:02:03 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.



its ok, just need to buy a t2 bpo for it to make sence

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Gank'aho
One within we are
#6 - 2011-10-10 23:39:11 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.



its ok, just need to buy a t2 bpo for it to make sence

LMAO, yea I thought you wanted everything in eve to be fair....
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#7 - 2011-10-11 00:19:02 UTC
I do want fairness, and how is it fair that people that have spent near on a year training should suddenly have enything they trained for taken away?
I'm not sayng don't make the changes, and I'm not saying changes aren't needed, all I'm saying is people should be given the chance to reuse those wasted skillpoints.
Are you to just going to follow my every post trolling like mad? I mean not that I don't like having my own personal fan club, but you must have better things to do with your time.

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-11 00:23:07 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.

Did you reward CCP when scaps were more powerful?

Whoa...a good post from The Apostle. These are truly the end times.


Nice commentry... what happened to Ladie Scarlett btw? U gone for a new look?

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Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-11 00:24:04 UTC
EVE is not fair
LIFE is not fair
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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#10 - 2011-10-11 00:25:12 UTC
why should you get reimbursed for skills you can still use?

I guess I should see if CCP can refund my alt's industry sp since I don't use em anymore
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-11 00:25:54 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.

Did you reward CCP when scaps were more powerful?


I didn't know that you could make good posts.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2011-10-11 00:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Morganta wrote:
why should you get reimbursed for skills you can still use?

I guess I should see if CCP can refund my alt's industry sp since I don't use em anymore

They are fundamentally changing the workings of carriers so they are no longer viable. They can't expect people to put that much time into a skill expecting one thing, then move the goal posts. The reimbursed skill points when learning skills got removed, so they should reimburse these now that carriers are being removed.

The Apostle wrote:
Did you reward CCP when scaps were more powerful?

Yes, I continued to pay them. And I'm still kicking myself for it.

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URDEAD2ME
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2011-10-11 00:28:53 UTC
i can see what your getting out but its ccp they wont :( altho if anything i think we will see more carriers supporting supers now.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2011-10-11 00:30:23 UTC
URDEAD2ME wrote:
i can see what your getting out but its ccp they wont :( altho if anything i think we will see more carriers supporting supers now.

They are just trying to make it so you only fight with sub caps, which is fair enough if that's what they want, but people that have invested skills in carriers now need to invest again in sub cap skills, so it seems only fair to reimburse to let them get to a level playing field.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-11 00:32:57 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
URDEAD2ME wrote:
i can see what your getting out but its ccp they wont :( altho if anything i think we will see more carriers supporting supers now.

They are just trying to make it so you only fight with sub caps, which is fair enough if that's what they want, but people that have invested skills in carriers now need to invest again in sub cap skills, so it seems only fair to reimburse to let them get to a level playing field.



lol as Apostle said, they didnt reimburse you when they were OP theyre not gonna now. Dont hold yer breath waiting for it...
or maybe do
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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#16 - 2011-10-11 00:32:59 UTC
if you truly feel them to be useless now than feel free to transfer your pilot and ships to me

otherwise its just words
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#17 - 2011-10-11 00:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty McKitty
Lucas Kell wrote:
Morganta wrote:
why should you get reimbursed for skills you can still use?

I guess I should see if CCP can refund my alt's industry sp since I don't use em anymore

They are fundamentally changing the workings of carriers so they are no longer viable. They can't expect people to put that much time into a skill expecting one thing, then move the goal posts. The reimbursed skill points when learning skills got removed, so they should reimburse these now that carriers are being removed.


The removal of learning skills left an imbalance in the distribution of skillpoints invested across all players. It would be unreasonable to leave those sp in those skills but make them redundant. Reimbursement in this instance made sense.

Changes to Supers does not diminish your ability to field supers even if you do not like the changes imposed. Your fleets will have to adapt to the changes but it is not as if you will not be performing a similarly vital role in fleets after the changes, unless you are some babby that can't handle having your OP pieces of **** taken off your hands and replaced with something demanding a little more effort.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-10-11 00:43:59 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Along with the changes, will there be a skill reset for Fighter / Carrier skills. Not being funny, but you are drastically changing the dynamic of carriers, and as such should offer the ability to reimburse those skills, since they don't come overnight. Since sub caps are going to be at the forefront of combat, and you are making carriers no longer economically viable (in both cash and skill time investment) it seems you should offer the ability to restat the now wasted skill points in other areas.

Thanks.

Did you reward CCP when scaps were more powerful?


I didn't know that you could make good posts.

+rep

I didn't know you could either. thx for rep....

Have one in return....

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#19 - 2011-10-11 00:45:01 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Morganta wrote:
why should you get reimbursed for skills you can still use?

I guess I should see if CCP can refund my alt's industry sp since I don't use em anymore

They are fundamentally changing the workings of carriers so they are no longer viable. They can't expect people to put that much time into a skill expecting one thing, then move the goal posts. The reimbursed skill points when learning skills got removed, so they should reimburse these now that carriers are being removed.


The removal of learning skills left an imbalance in the distribution of skillpoints invested across all players. It would be unreasonable to leave those sp in those skills but make them redundant. Reimbursement in this instance made sense.

Changes to Supers does not diminish your ability to field supers even if you do not like the changes imposed. Your fleets will have to adapt to the changes but it is not as if you will not be performing a similarly vital role in fleets after the changes, unless you are some babby that can't handle having your OP pieces of **** taken off your hands and replaced with something demanding a little more effort.

Of course it diminishes the ability! You've got fighters with sig radiuses the size of battleships, and absolutely no defence against smaller ships. They are in no way going to be worth the year of skill investment or the cash to buy them. I'd be surpirsed if anybody but the biggest alliances with caps on their ship replace will take them out now.

Skills in this take time, and time costs money. I'm now not going to be gettign the product I paid for. If you bought a sat nav for your car, and they changed it so it didnt give directions anymore you'd want a refund. All I want is a refund. To be honest, if they want to give me 12 plex instead of the skillpoints I'm happy with that too.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-11 00:48:57 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
They are fundamentally changing the workings of carriers so they are no longer viable. They can't expect people to put that much time into a skill expecting one thing, then move the goal posts. The reimbursed skill points when learning skills got removed, so they should reimburse these now that carriers are being removed..


they fundamentally changed the Eos a few years ago, and they didn't reimburse anyone.

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