EVE General Discussion

Turns out nothing will save that fit

It's as legit as saying that a Falcon counter consists of 2 other Falcons.

I asked CCP Zulupark recenly about this crappy game mechanics and his reply was basically:
- well, does it really happen all that often?

LOL

'Overused' and 'rare' - WTF? It's either balanced or not. No middle-ground here.

I'd suggest that force projection in general is too easy in Eve.

One idea I put out in another thread was the idea of making cynos point-to-point connections: rather than lighting a cyno and everyone in the fleet jumping to it, you'd have two cynos lit and fleet members would have to be on-grid with one to arrive at the other. That wouldn't prevent a staged hotdrop, but it would mean that a botched drop could result in the cyno anchors being lost and the fleet stranded under fire. Would that be risky enough for you?

Not even.

lrn to read thread.

This should be taken as granted, given you yourself don't say "so and so makes it fun for me." etc.


As you have to when it's the mechanic you have to use. However it's not as fun as it should be and it discourages more players taking risks in low sec. More players playing in low sec is a good goal.

A good interim compromise (imo, to make you happy) would be to ramp up security on gates as you got closer to high sec to make it progressively harder and more risky/costly to gate camp. This is a more logical mechanic than the current "full sec", "virtually no sec", "no sec" system for two reasons - nations would want more security the closer you got to their borders, and it would encourage more gameplay types in low sec with increased risk for gate campers to go with their increased reward closer to high sec. If it needs additional mechanics to get more fights, that can be done too (ie. bribe gate guards to go away, substantial cost not worth it for low value camping but to kill something you know is coming like a high value unguarded transport)

0.4 - Enough gate security to make life painful for a substantial gate camp of BSs.
0.3 - Enough gate security to make life painful for a substantial gate camp of BCs.
0.2 - Enough gate security to make life painful for a substantial gate camp of Cruisers.
0.1 - Enough gate security to make life painful for a substantial gate camp of frigates.

Also having a "there are X player ships within 100 kms of the other side of this jump gate" might be better (and modified by the bribing mechanic). Scouting is a boring/annoying mechanic. Disclaimer: basic idea, lots of holes that can be fixed, please think things through a couple of steps.

etc.

I do, I play nothing but pvp games. Do you know what pvp is? Do you know what good pvp is? I think not. I can't blame anyone for using mechanics that are in the game. Hot dropping is pvp... It's just not good pvp as it currently stands, except in very few scenarios where hot droppers do a very bad job of scouting their targets. Like I say theres always a group of people that would be very happy if they had something like an invulnerable deathstar to let them pulverize their victims with impunity, as long as it isn't done to them. With hot droppers that are always on the offensive, it almost never is going to happen to them. And the exploiters of bad mechanics ALWAYS cry foul when someone calls it what it is.

In every game theres always something, gear or ships, that gives a healthy advantage to those using them. Thats fine, those that have them probably earned them... the question is where you draw the line on how powerful those items/ships are and if they can be countered.

By definition, to me, any mechanic that allows people, no matter how many, to gank any target, no matter how small, and get away with zero chance of being caught, is a bad mechanic. Sitting with a covert ops fleet of your own for days/weeks on end waiting for a chance to ambush them is not in my opinion a chance to catch them. Risk free pvp is not pvp at all. Hot droppers at most risk one scout, and in nrds space they don't even risk that. Hot droppers are chickenshits, end of story. This is not "war" where anything goes, its a game with intended and unintended mechanics. Otherwise, just let everyone hack their clients and the server as best they can and have at it. All is fair. I'm not saying people are hacking but bad mechanics can produce similar effects.

I see the attraction in it, don't get me wrong, I'd have fun with checkenshit tactics for a while. It's not game breaking. EVE has lots of other good features and possibilities that more than make up for it or people wouldnt be here, but there is always room for improvement in any game. Hot dropping happens to be the first thing I would change. Not remove...

I realize that hot drops make it possible to catch fleets that dont want to be caught, so in some ways it is a neccessary mechanic. That is an issue though that could be handled in other ways that do not introduce as much completely one sided pvp.

I also agree with another poster... gate scouting is a lame requirement made necessary because of the gate system. I'd venture to guess though that it will never be removed because it encourages a ton of people to run multiple accounts, which is potential $ for CCP. IMO though there should be a way to probe the immediate vicinity on the other side of the gate without going through, and without a 2nd noob alt account.

if you'd read the thread, you'd it know it was not a pvp fit... I pve with blasters for better dps. If you'd think for a sec, you'd realize that the fit doesnt matter, no fit other than warp stabs would have changed the scenario in the least. I'm not saying I'm pro, I am however saying you aren't very smart.

Well thanks to the unfair pvp, unbalanced pvp and all that. People lose ships. Which is kinda the most important element in eve. Without it the markets will crash.

If people won't fight without OP mechanics then there is more than one problem. But people can and do fight without hotdropping so...

If you were right to some extent, the market would balance itself anyway. It's also fairly easy to introduce more reasons to fight.

Honestly I think a nerf to hotdropping would encourage people to roam more and take more risks. More risks = more lost ships. Those risks would be tolerable though because there would be less threat of some undetectable force of unknown and more than likely overpowering force (other wise they wouldn't come) dropping in on you. You could actually roam and rely on your scanners and scouts to tell you what's out there. If an enemy fleet can't set a trap for you the old fashioned way (ala before hot dropping was possible) they don't deserve to catch you.

Because nothing like that ever happens, right?
You'd never see hot-drop ambush/counter ambush escalate into something that makes even the mainstream news. Nope. Never.