EVE General Discussion

Haven't reached 100 yet, I don't think. Or maybe I have - I forget. Because I don't much care. Someday I'll hit the 1000 mark... and I'll probably miss it when it happens.
I'm there for the challenge; getting popped is just part of teh game. It'd be no fun at all if there wasn't some risk of losing - the better the camp, the better the fun.


Truthfully, I first went out into dangerous space to get over my fear of being popped and podded. I discovered that I was getting good at beating camps, and it became fun. Then it became a way of life.

You know what happens when my small alliance and friends get hot dropped and pwndozered? we run and get battleship and go back in an attempt to kill a carrier. Embrace the hot drop, it makes pvp pretty god damn interesting some times.

I like this thread! It's the first one that I have read so far that basically says "Don't give us more options, we like it just the way it is!" So for everyone who is arguing here against the OP, they are saying that gate camping and hot dropping should be the only options? "It is what it is, it works for us so learn to use it and stop crying about it" should be the motto?
Personally I would love to see the battles over resources instead of gate camps, security rateing actually mean how much the area is patrolled by NPC fleets (would make gate camping more interesting in low sec if Concord came through busting a gate camp every now and then) and hot dropping... I don't know. How do you make hot dropping more fun?
I can live with the game however it is, and will play or unsub based solely on how much fun I can have with the mechanics of the game. That said, I am all for more options to have fun.

My 2 cents.

Join faction warfare.

TL;DR: gatecamp beats solo/small gang. Hotdrop beats gatecamp. solo small gang beats hotdrop. Rock paper scissors


Interesting thread and responses. Lots of people cry over one side or the other, and the severity of both hotdropping and gatecamping depends on where you go. In general these activities are well accepted methods to drawing successful (minimal risks) from targets which would be nearly impossible to engage without such mechanics.

People going through gates and getting caught would have ran if they saw the size of the force that was hunting. There is a formiddable counter to this camping, called the hotdrop. Its amusing that the two got rolled together as a the same problem. A gatecamp fleet is not typically fit for facing equal numbers, which is why most will bail when threatened (and i can tell you from expereince if you leave from a camp and immediately reship for a fight that the initial gang will bail 99% of the time unless you do some magic).

The counter to dropping can be one of two things. The first is baiting the bait (knowing they will cyno and preparing for it). The other is SMALL gang/solo action where you are mobile enough that a) their tackle wont hold you while the rest of the crew cyno's in or b) you're mobile enough that the chances of a bait even running into you are limited.

Then again those solo pilots, having scarce target selection and needing to be mobile have the risk of running into...CAMPS

And tada, welcome to the rock paper scissors balancing style of eve. If you're a bear or bearing it up, suck it up, its going to happenen eventually by any one of the three methods i mentioned earlier.

lol... whatever, you clearly havent even read most of the thread. I was in my alliance's space. The alliance is nrds thus I was vulnerable to neutrals scanning me down before the hot dropper showed in local. Thats fine, whatever, my fault for joining a nrds corp. That doesnt change the fact that pvp isnt pvp when someone can decloak and scram you in 2 secs or less, 5 secs after entering local, then take his time & bring 30 buds, and then disappear again. Thats not pvp. Its player vs broken unbeatable mechanics. I could beat these mechanics by docking up anytime anyone at all enters local, but how fun is that? I wouldnt play a game like that very long, because it wouldnt be playing, no matter how many friends I had with me it wouldnt be playing it'd be sitting in a station. Unless I traveled with a horde ever where I went, which isnt realistic, the hot droppers can ALWAYS bring 5vs1 odds or better, and we'd have no way to know.

30 people SHOULD win vs 1, no doubt, but if you're vigilant that one person should be able to have enough warning to get away, and an alliance as large as the one I was in should be able to eventually scan down cloakers that can currently afk in systems for weeks with no fear of ever getting caught. That wasnt the situation this time, I had taken the time to find a system in our territory that was one of the few that didnt have a permanent resident hot dropper. It wouldnt have mattered where I was in the system. I could have ran a bit sooner yes... but again if I did that it's all I'd be doing all day long. Not fun!

I laugh at people that say "get more friends" and "war isnt fair". You're right on the fair part, but this isnt war, it's a game. If you want to have a game with nearly uncounterable tactics, eh whatever. I could certainly do the same thing they do, but I dont find 30 vs 1 fights fun, and I don't call that pvp. I guess you could call that "countering" though. The funniest thing is that people that do this kinda "pvp" think themselves somehow superior and say I dont belong in null, I'm horrible, get skills, htfu, etc... lol hilarious. I could avoid getting hot dropped, sure, but that would mean sitting all day or never traveling in packs of less than 100. Getting the jump of someone is one thing, but being able to do so while always & easily being able to pick your fight and bring 5-30x odds, thats another. And again thats not pvp, I just have to laugh at people who think it is and that they are pros for doing it.

So what you're saying is that you're not a player?

I guess not, because I don't call 30vs1 or docking up all the time "playing".

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

No bubble burst here, but thanks for your concern.

Just want to ask you one thing. You do know what PvP stands for, don't you?