EVE General Discussion

I am kind of with the OP on this one. I am a 10 year vet of EVE. Multiple accounts trained and sold throughout that time and the vast majority of it was fun. Currently I have been on a hiatus from EVE for reasons anchored firmly in reality...unfortunately...but right now I really don't know for sure if I even want to come back to EVE. People talk about how hardcore EVE is with it's PVP but all I have seen for years now is gatecamps, station games and hotdrops. Even WH space PVP got dull because all anybody did was play games on the WH's and crash them thinking they are the "l33t roxxxxor PEE VEE PEEers" because they trap a single ship on one side of a WH and then log off because they are afraid to lose a ship.

It just isn't all that fun anymore. Nullsec is clearly not what it was intended to be with half the galaxy blue to each other and both sides too afraid to actually do anything to the other for fear of losing too much. The Sov system is nothing short of a massive pain in the ass. Jump bridges were a HUGE mistake right from the get go and should be removed entirely from the game to spur more PVP and better economy in nullsec...

I could go on...but I won't. Suffice it to say that EVE has changed. Maybe for the better, maybe not...either way...it isn't for everybody and slowly, very slowly becoming less and less "my game".

If you honestly think that hot dropping is on par with a Death Star style weapon then you're really... honestly either the most unlucky low/null dweller alive or you can't counter them as many can. By the way you can just say im a hotdropper right now so i can laugh because i've never used a titan bridge in game

So... We should just introduce a new ship. A Death-Star that was designed with no exploitable vulnerabilities (stupid vader!) and can warp around the galaxy annihilating planets and fleets at will.

Seems to me, people have a hard time telling the difference between jousting and combat.

Combat is ugly, brutal, and quick. Every possible dirty trick is used ruthlessly to get the upper hand. Never give a sucker an even break, shoot 'em in the back if you can, and then burn the corpse.

Jousting, on the other hand, involves honor, rules, parity of force and (maybe) skill, etc. etc.


Whenever I see someone whinging about 'lame PvP' or 'bad PvP' or otherwise kvetching about getting blown out of space in ways that are inconvenient, I'm pretty sure I've found another person whom has confused the two.

Bubble camps and gate camps are valid, useful, effective tools for control - and combat. Don't like dying in a gate camp? Bring friends. Or 'up' your skills. Or both. Want to joust? Join Red v. Blue. But know that if you come here to whinge, folks as are interested in combat are going to know that you're their legitimate prey.

Eh whatever... The gatecamping was really a side issue, I should have stopped at hot dropping for this topic. In any case my arguement about gatecamping isn't so much about fairness as it is about lameness and boredom.

On the other hand if you think hot dropping doesn't need to be tweaked then eh, bite me. It's no different than the death star example I gave, just to a different extreme, and i think the line needs to be drawn a bit farther back. If this was a FPS game I swear I'd have aim botters here defending their use of hacks. It's available, thus its a viable & valid tactic.

Funny you mention bombers....considering what happens when you bait a hotdrop then launch multiple bombs at the cyno.

If you are crying this much over gatecamps...i cant image the tsunami of tears that will pour from you when you need to MWD from system to system...or better yet, have the miserable experience of capdrain warp after capdrain warp for 3 hours to get to a next door system.

But the key is the target has to be STUPID.

I generally love pvp games, the more hardcore the better, but I've lost interest in EVE... The extent of nullsec pvp is pretty much what the title says. Hot drops as far as I'm concerned are pretty much game breaking, a very cheesy, lame and over-used tactic. The hot droppers can pick their fights for very little risk and it almost always results in one sided battles. How do they contribute to epic space battles, what this game should be about? They don't. In intermediate/newb friendly corps one hot dropper capable ship shows up in your system and everyone is told to dock up for safety. Can't risk your precious kill boards! How fun is that? It's not!

At the very least there should be a limit on how much mass or the number of ships that can hot drop through one cyno field (3-4 cruisers, 2 battleships/ 1 carrier maybe at most), and they should not be able to escape by the same method (or log out for that matter) for a very long time.

Hisec war-dec pvp where hotdrops can't happen is alot more fun and fair, but very few people do it. Established pirate corps & pros do it, and other intermediate corps run and hide from it.

Even in hisec though pvp is largely about gate camps. I don't see them as quite as lame as hot-dropping, but it's still pretty weak, and boring 95% of the time if you're the one doing it. I don't know what would have to change to fix this dynamic but I think the game would benefit from some mechanic that reduced the need to camp gates, and the effectiveness of it. Right now the game feels more like a bunch of narrow hallways and bottlenecks rather than deep space.

Imo jumpgates should be done away with entirely except for possibly jumping from region to region. With bottlenecks removed, scanning could possibly be made more effective and accessible to everyone (not just a dedicated scanning ship, though those should still have an advantage) to make it easier to find fights. IE people shouldnt have to give up a hardpoint to be able to scan people down.

I certainly don't know everything, and maybe these are bad ideas, but I do know that the title of my thread sums up the game for me.