EVE General Discussion

Horus has never been part of Goonswarm, nor have I. He has managed to worm his endless supply of alts into White Noise., NCdot, Red Alliance, IRC Spire Collective, Imperial 0rder and most recently The Jagged Alliance. They all died or were evicted from 0.0 not long after his joining. His botted, cheated wealth doesn't go to his corpmates or their warchest, it goes to his bank account. Silent Dodger by RMTing his alliance's savings gutted his alliance's morale and ability to fight and RA under new leadership (because Dodger was thrown out) is struggling to claim one region when by this time last year they owned a dozen regions. If you didn't get this regular result of Horus' parasitical schemings, it's because Horus has a very high estimation of himself and his abilities, one that riverini doesn't challenge.

Riverini, for someone who claims to hate bots, shared an alliance with Horus with seemingly no ethical problems. It's a symbiotic relationship where Horus generates pageviews for riverini's website and in return Horus' rivals and enemies get a spotlight thrown on them by association with Horus. The only thing that suffers is an accurate image of botting in EVE with tons of people getting the impression that it happens in nullsec.

It's a diversion that willfully ignores that the vast majority of botting actually occurs in highsec, with single regions overshadowing all of 0.0 space. Incidentally, removing wardec evasion will help solve the highsec botting problem.

Goonswarm's CEO hasn't been banned for RMT, nor had Legion of Xdeath or Solar or TEST, etc., not once in 10 years of the game's existence.

Of course I will comply with your request which you know to be impossible. Just as soon as you explain your assertion that Sreegs is deliberately misleading us.

Oh, and prove it of course ;)

Breaking an entire lineup of ships to stop people from killing ships that have no tank fitted isn't wrong?

Pity Incursion rats don't actually raid the highsec infrastructure like they're supposed to be doing.

And as a result, they have neither the risk of PvP-ship losses nor the (possible big) reward of destroying others. Cancels each other out, no?
Edit: And it's still perfectly possible to lose your ship in PvE...

I'm having problem in explain what I mean, probably is my bad english. Anyway, I try again:



The problem is not this or that alliance or if those banned guys were in that coalition or another.

Problem is the perception this minoritary (in term of players) groups as a whole give to the community.
And when they pack in a lobby demanding to dicrate their own specific interest people see them as lobby and evaluate all this too.

When a coalition leader chats with a well known botter/RMTers and shows to consider founds from botting the same as T2 blueprint to support a war or host in his coalition a known organization of botters. And all this is considerated accettable and normal. This give an idea to the rest of EvE community.

When a CEO feels the urge to send a general warning like:
"hey giys, be carefull, seems now CCP is enforcing the anti-botting/rmt policy"
Then this mean something...

When alliance leaders (not some lonely grunt) get caught in some massive RMT this mean something.

Mean everyone in those alliances is guilty? No, of course. But give the idea that things like botting, exploiting, cheatting and so on, is commonly accepted and/or tolleated.

This people is hosted by you, use your standings, use your resources, your taxes, your systems, your logistic, support your wars....





Exacctly, and it was just my point. But having always the same people from the same lobby running to negate or minimize the issue only feeds suspects.
Even if was only a wrong impression one should consider ti when starting some lobby activitiy (mostly when is only to bring on silly selfish claims).

i.e.: One is not credible in complaining against AFK mining when he host in his coalition botters alliances.




I totally agree, as well.
In any MMORPG the open world PvP always works also to limit botting and such. Problem here is that even so you wouldn't attack them cause they woud proably be blue for you.




I know, and I'm sure they're totally clean. But, as you see, is something that needs to be remarked...

I think both sides of this argument are BS

Highsec POS’s are a huge capital investment and while not the majority of production slots they are significant, and they are where most research happens. They are vulnerable to attack. And when they get blown up it is a significant setback for the industrialists involved.

And then there’s this constant stream of highsec guys who are unhappy with all the ISK and power that that the null sec corps have. The funny thing is that very few of them could live in null.

“Arggg hate the blue doughnut!!!! Boring, no conflict!” That from a lot of highseccers WTF.

But from the null sec indi guy “I can’t compete out here, change the game for me. I know how to play, I put in my time, and this would make me happy.” How is that any different from that guy last week who wanted to go into lowsec but didn’t want to put his implants at risk.

Also “My miner friends all moved to highsec because mining out here isn’t profitable.” And “We all have highsec industrial alts because its more profitable.” Maybe nullsec indi isn’t designed to be profitable, if you want to play that game then that’s on you. And WTF if you want highsec mining to be less profitable then stop blowing up highsec miners. Let a glut market do the damage.

Eve isn’t a good game because it makes things easy. It’s hard. Would it be hard for goons to wardec highsec corps 10 or 50 at a time and blow up their POS’s? Yeah it would. That is no reason to change the game so that it’s easier for you to compete.

And on that note maybe the highsec group should also stop complaining because it might get to a point where CFC and HBC decide to do just that. It would sure be a lot more interesting than the blue doughnut.

And until Highsec POS's start getting blown up on a big scale there's no reason to complain that highsec players have nothing to fight for.

The real problem with Eve and with HBC/CFC is that a handful of people have too much control, and those people are using that control to make the game interesting for themselves and to hell with everyone else.

It's difficult to imagine these sort of arguments coming from anywhere but highsec.

"do you actually believe I should have to pay something to get out of this gatecamp who have my freighter tackled?"

"do you actually believe an alliance of 1000 should be able to reinforce a POS that belongs to a 100-man corp?"

Just fold up your station and go somewhere else for a week. That is a way to avoid combat that is perfectly scaled to the size of a corp.

And he's right.