EVE General Discussion

Implying that anyone pays a sub just to check prices instead of using an unrtained alt on account they already have.

You know perfectly well that many if not most null-sec dwellers run a second (or even more) highsec account to do the things that are far easier and more profitable than is possible in nullsec. Industry, mining etc.

Its beginning to seem to me that alot of the problems associated with the issues posted in earlier threads stem from the map (universe).

Why not just extend it?

A bigger hisec and nullsec means more space for smaller corps and alliances to inhabit.

More plexes, missions stations, moon goo, roids - but all spread out more.

What if all these issues are caused by the fact that space is now too small?

Everyone is encroaching on everyone elses space which results in large alliance NAPs.

In fact the more I think about it and read, the more I see people overcomplicating the issue or trying to bend public opinion to their own advantage.

New Eden IS too small period.

Wheres the sense of adventure of roaming out into the wildernes??? gone - too many choke points.
Can't really count wormholes for this as they are really just fancy instances.

We all can see that New Eden is in fact a 2 dimensional map.

The nullsec 'donut' (not in recent political sense) needs more 'internal surface area' to expand (if you dont get it the hole in the donut is Hisec, and lowsec the border.

So imagine extending Hisec in two directions or more to minimally disturb the main political influences of the map (cant have them crying too much).

For example extend Hi sec through Stain/Querious and another direction through Deklein/venal, a third could be through Geminate and Etherium reach and a fourth around the Curse / Scalding Pass area.

Yes, Yes people will cry (alot) but trying to find areas to lessen existing alliance soveregnity.

So now you have a Donut in 4 pieces.
You move the pieces awaty from each other and - whats this ? - New systems / constallations/ regions are discovered.

These areas will fill in the gaps between the 4 pieces of donut - end result:

More Hisec and possibility of new trade hubs
More Low sec due to more 'Border' area.
Alot More nullsec which means, more space to conquer for alliances other than the main coalitions, much further ranges for jump drives (hehe) and more sense of adventure for all due to vastlt expanded universe.

Additionally to all this the universe may no longer be seen as 'finite'

What we now have is a 'cross' shaped highsec which means further expansion at the ends of 4 'arms' and the outer rim of null.

(existing jump gates would still exist but in the 3rd dimension over the arms of Low and Hi sec.)

Lets just stretch this a little further - these 'additional' regions could be vast (relative to CCP hardware) and 'could' hold an amount of untapped 'Static wormholes'.

Imagine if some access to these regions had backdoors through wormholes, however - a new game mechanic allowed large alliances (due to upkeep of said equipment) to Put wormhole into 'stasis' (think like POS equipment which makes WH static).

Of couse these can be attacked and destroyed by smaller forces and one the WH collapses - its gone.

Also High Sec alliances and corps could find a way here into some dark corner of the universe which they have to keep open and defend against aggressive/opposing forces.

To further the 'adventure' element - imagine if these areas cant even be seen on the map unless a corp (or alliance) installs a beacon for their members.
In other words it can only be found by neuts through scanning / wormhole roaming - or subterfuge :).

Worth buiding on I think.

CCP can verify the location with the most botters, but can't do anything about the botters. Huh... Curious.

By the way: prove it. Please provide a link to support your statement.

so what is the answer?

Oh yes of course. But in the hypothetical case of nullsec production becoming viable, the alts on those accounts would be repatriated to nullsec, not cancelled.

In any case, Jita would still remain the largest individualy trade hub by far. Even if 95% of production was done in 0.0, nullseccers would still need a venue to sell to each other and to the remaining hi-sec residents.

Allow me: http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpg

Now that one has been provided, may I assume that the evidence hasn't changed your opinion one tiny iota?

I make billions in nullsec, without the benefit of being surrounded by little blue dots. I'm not saying running L4s isn't easy, but the idea that you can't make more in null is just ludicrous. Or you're just bad at it.

Edit: Rereading your post, I would like to clarify, I agree that null, for the average player, no matter their affiliation, does not contain a "static isk fountain". I'm sure they were referring to moon goo by saying that, which I doubt a grunt gets any benefit from, other than ship replacement, logistic support, etc.

Where the hell do you think we would be building a PoS?

You keep going on an don about PoS as if everyone can just use one. You even say that you checked all 28 moons in a system and everyone had a PoS up.

You never mention what it costs to run that PoS.

You never mention what it cost to put that PoS up.

You never mention what it would cost to remove one of those PoS's.

And YOU'RE IN ******* HIGH SEC!

THE POS IS NOT A VIABLE MEANS IN IT'S CURRENT FORM. I can not just put up a PoS, I sure as hell can not put one up in high sec, without using an alt, and doing WHAT I SHOUDLN'T HAVE TO DO.

You are not building out of a PoS, in null sec, as a line member of any corp that is able to hold their space.

And you're a fool if you use your PoS to build in high sec. You should be using it for research. The line costs in an NPC station in high sec are trivial. WTF do I need a PoS for when I'm building out of a station that is 1000/ 333, holy ****, I saved 20k on a batch, whoop-tee-doo!

WTF do I care if a station can have 25 lines, I can only build 11 things at a frigging time!


There's a reason we have STATIONS in null sec, that are upgradeable for industry, because the frigging moons are used for other things. This isn't high sec.

Learn how **** works, instead of telling people who know more than you what they "should" be doing.

I should not have to go to high sec to build T2 goods. Some of you are not grasping this.

You do not have to come to null for a ******* thing, I should not have to play in high sec if I want to be a builder.
As long as T2 goods are cheaper to build in high sec, there's no REASON to build them in null.

How would you guys like it if you had to come to null sec in order to do T1 production, to keep from getting undermined by null imports?