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Another WH living question.

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Lee Mcgee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-30 19:01:31 UTC
Hello.

Firslty, I want to say that I have done some research on wormholes. I have had some experience with POS etc. and I have been browsing some websites;

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

and http://www.staticmapper.com/ which I dont know how to use yet. But looks important.

All it is I am a bit confused on a few things, also some pointers couldnt harm...I tend to do a bit of everything, combat sites (drake). Some mining, PI etc.

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?
2; How do I find out how much mass is on a WH at any time so it can be collapsed etc?
3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?
4; What sized ships can be moved INTO a C1/C2 wormhole?
5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?

Thanks in advance,

Lee McGee.
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-30 19:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Malception
Welcome to w-space, Lee. At the top of this forum are two stickied threads which contain valuable documents dishing out al lthe details on wormholes and Anoikis.

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?
It doesn't work.

3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?
C1

5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?
Dunno
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-30 20:40:22 UTC
Lee Mcgee wrote:
Hello.

Firslty, I want to say that I have done some research on wormholes. I have had some experience with POS etc. and I have been browsing some websites;

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

and http://www.staticmapper.com/ which I dont know how to use yet. But looks important.

All it is I am a bit confused on a few things, also some pointers couldnt harm...I tend to do a bit of everything, combat sites (drake). Some mining, PI etc.

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?
2; How do I find out how much mass is on a WH at any time so it can be collapsed etc?
3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?
4; What sized ships can be moved INTO a C1/C2 wormhole?
5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?

Thanks in advance,

Lee McGee.


1) The sig won't spawn until you initiate warp, and it's your static, not any k162 coming inbound
2) You don't know exactly, but use the mass database and the stage of the hole to get a rough idea
3) C1
4) http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormholes
5) You can sustain it, however most of your income will go into it if you're solo in a C1

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.

Spheranzinne
Color of Violence
#4 - 2013-01-30 20:41:04 UTC
Lee Mcgee wrote:
Hello.

Firslty, I want to say that I have done some research on wormholes. I have had some experience with POS etc. and I have been browsing some websites;

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

and http://www.staticmapper.com/ which I dont know how to use yet. But looks important.

All it is I am a bit confused on a few things, also some pointers couldnt harm...I tend to do a bit of everything, combat sites (drake). Some mining, PI etc.

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?
2; How do I find out how much mass is on a WH at any time so it can be collapsed etc?
3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?
4; What sized ships can be moved INTO a C1/C2 wormhole?
5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?

Thanks in advance,

Lee McGee.


1. you can scan the entrance but you shall not warp to it. this way you wont open it.
2. you cant. you just have to keep count of how much mass has been in and out of it once opened
3. with decent skills you can begin with c2
4. every hole has a max mass u can squeeze through, can find it on google
5. with nice pi yes you can
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2013-01-30 20:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Lee Mcgee wrote:
Hello.

Firslty, I want to say that I have done some research on wormholes. I have had some experience with POS etc. and I have been browsing some websites;

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

and http://www.staticmapper.com/ which I dont know how to use yet. But looks important.

All it is I am a bit confused on a few things, also some pointers couldnt harm...I tend to do a bit of everything, combat sites (drake). Some mining, PI etc.

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?
2; How do I find out how much mass is on a WH at any time so it can be collapsed etc?
3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?
4; What sized ships can be moved INTO a C1/C2 wormhole?
5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?

Thanks in advance,

Lee McGee.


1. If you scan down the static WH but don't warp to it, it won't actually move or open. It seems that spawning the WH happens when you actually load grid. This works for all kinds of sigs in WH space, so those grav sites aren't going anywhere any time soon if you don't do anything with them. This will not prevent *incoming* WHs from connecting to your WH. C2 WH is very fluid and it's not uncommon to have inbound WHs on top of your statics.
2. Show info and experience.
3. I really like C2s because the incoming damage is really low and you can blaze through stuff with an 800 DPS Zealot before cruising the C2 Superhighway and surrounding lowsec for people to shoot.
4. C1 prevents battleships, and neither allows the passage of capitals.
5. You can run a large death star off of lackadaisical anom running in a C2. A C1 requires PI to be profitable, I think. Either way, C1/C2 your primary source of income appears to come from PI - so make sure that you find a good WH with a good planetary distribution. And then kick the poor souls out when you find it. :)

Good luck.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Lee Mcgee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-01-30 21:02:49 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I will check out them thread/stickies ASAP its great information to take with me,

just one thing I dont quite follow...

Vincent Gaines commented;

''2) You don't know exactly, but use the mass database and the stage of the hole to get a rough idea''

How do I do this exactly? Do I need a specail chart or website?

Thanks again,

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#7 - 2013-01-30 21:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Lee Mcgee wrote:
Hello.

Firslty, I want to say that I have done some research on wormholes. I have had some experience with POS etc. and I have been browsing some websites;

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

and http://www.staticmapper.com/ which I dont know how to use yet. But looks important.

All it is I am a bit confused on a few things, also some pointers couldnt harm...I tend to do a bit of everything, combat sites (drake). Some mining, PI etc.

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?
2; How do I find out how much mass is on a WH at any time so it can be collapsed etc?
3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?
4; What sized ships can be moved INTO a C1/C2 wormhole?
5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?

Thanks in advance,

Lee McGee.


Unless your really really industrious you'll probably struggle to cover the cost of a large POS in a C1. C2 is a good starting place - but the site salvage/loot can be a bit hit or miss - the base site loot is pretty low but theres a good chance of nanoribbon drops and when they do it can potentially push the amount you get up by upto almost 10x - a good site could cover the best part of a weeks POS fuel.

Staying safe (relatively speaking) comes from experience tbh - you probably won't even see the hostiles coming at first even taking precautions but you can pretty quickly work out how to minimise risks to a manageable level*. i.e. just not scanning your entrance alone isn't enough to keep you safe - you need to know if someone else has already scanned it or not as well for example.


EDIT: There are several different sites detailing the different WH links and their lifetime, mass, etc. but I tend to have this one open on a 2nd monitor most of the time I'm active in a wormhole as its fairly quick and easy to work with: http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelist.asp


* For this reason I like C3s as a starting place tho the sites themselves are a bit more punishing on an inexperienced player but you don't need to do many sites to easily cover the cost of the ship(s) running them so the odd loss won't hurt.
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-30 21:37:53 UTC
No more questions, Lee. Go read those wormhole guides. If I see you tonight in a wormhole I'm going to tackle you and quiz you on those documents. If you answer correctly I'll only kill your ship; incorrectly and you get the hi-sec express.
Winthorp
#9 - 2013-01-30 21:52:42 UTC
Malception wrote:
No more questions, Lee. Go read those wormhole guides. If I see you tonight in a wormhole I'm going to tackle you and quiz you on those documents. If you answer correctly I'll only kill your ship; incorrectly and you get the hi-sec express.


This mentoring program i approve of.
Lee Mcgee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-01-30 21:55:42 UTC
Me too to be honest ^^
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#11 - 2013-01-31 06:45:16 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Malception wrote:
No more questions, Lee. Go read those wormhole guides. If I see you tonight in a wormhole I'm going to tackle you and quiz you on those documents. If you answer correctly I'll only kill your ship; incorrectly and you get the hi-sec express.


This mentoring program i approve of.

me three

Though... I would ask a ransom for his pod first, though the big green pod of 100mil to 600mil on the KM is also nice!
I Wish there was a way to scan a Clones head for perfect ransoming.

.EC.. of [TOHA], Industrialists with guns. We're overe there, some where and no where... Contacting go through ingame convo's .EC.. and [TOHA] are recruiting, get in contact with us

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#12 - 2013-02-01 09:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Lee Mcgee wrote:

1; I have read that if you dont scan your entrance you stay safe'ish, how does that work exactly?

As long as you don't warp to any wormholes you scan, it doesn't actually come into existance. This limits the possibility of people coming into the wormhole to those that scan and create wormholes elsewhere with the exit forming in your system. "Turtling" as i like to call it, can significantly reduce random traffic. And it also makes it pretty obvious when a new entrances has been formed by someone, the moment you detect someone on the D-scan.

Lee Mcgee wrote:
2; How do I find out how much mass is on a WH at any time so it can be collapsed etc?

Just look up the wormhole type number on any various websites to get an idea of its mass limits. Such as here.

Lee Mcgee wrote:
3; What wormhole would be recommended for solo living first? C1, C2?

C1 is a tad easy, so i'd say a C2 if your serious about staying for long periods, and perhaps even a C3 if your good with T3 cruisers and fancy a challenge.

Lee Mcgee wrote:
4; What sized ships can be moved INTO a C1/C2 wormhole?

C1 is battlecruisers or lower only, and C2 are battleships or lower. Capitals can't enter C1, C2 or C3.


Lee Mcgee wrote:
5; Could I easily sustain and cover the cvosts of running a large POS?


Depends how rich you are! Large tower consumes a little over 26,000 blocks per month. Thats between 250 - 500 million per month, depending on market prices of course. Assuming you can afford that, or that you know you can earn that much in the hole per month, then your laughing!

All the best, and good luck!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-01 14:03:13 UTC

Good info here, with a few additions.

Capitals can't enter C4s either. Just C5s and C6s.

A Large tower takes up 28800 fuel blocks in 30 days by my maths. By JITA prices right now, that puts it at: 363,425,760 ISK. If you can produce the PI materials needed, you can cut that cost in half, but that takes long term effort and discipline as if you miss one thing, thats your POS floating without a shield. I like to call them Pinata Stations. I want to get my Sweeties inside!

In terms of mass limits, check out the wormhole database. Bear in mind that the mass is the maximum and does vary +/- 10%, as does the time factor. Always assume to be cautious with masses, as people could have put something thru the hole before. Even more so if you have a highsec static. People might have moved orcas thru your hole while you're offline.

Also check out staticmapper.com, eveeye.com or wormhol.es to look up the current wormhole you're in. The last 2 automatically select your current wormhole if its trusted(click the little icon'refresh' on wormhol.es). The last one, gives you intel on the system from dotlan. last kill information, probably owners, their kill/death rates IN that hole. bear in mind that this doesnt include out of system kills.

And a little two pence by me.

Solo Wormholing is boring as sin. yes, it can make you loads of money, but you end up unable to do anything as soon as hostiles appear in your system. My advice would be to find a Wormhole Corporation to contribute to. That way, you don't have to worry about POS fuelling worries/cost, and can just focus on having fun in a wormhole, which is what its all about, right?

Oh, and not scanning the entrance is a good way to get yourself killed. Alot of the time, you're not the only one thru your system. If you live low down, you will have incoming systems show up from people looking for a way back to highsec. Even if they arent still around, it doesnt mean they didnt scan out your statics looking for a way out. We scan out every wormhole in a system before deciding to collapse the wormhole an hour later. Some might say wasted time, we like to call it being thorough. All it takes is one guy in a Cloaky T3 to come back up thru the chain towards you, and you have a problem.

Also, always do a full sweep of your system on dscan before doing anything(preferably when you log in), as you can find out whats happeneing. i know someone a year ago who logged in, got straight in a drake, warped to a site to find another drake there, completely unawares. They were both confused, and i couldnt stop laughing on comms at the time. Wasn't much of a PvPer then, or in charge, so it didnt bother me that we wasted an easy kill.

Oh, and local. Don't start talking in local if your being talked to. Alot of people see a ship on dscan and try and talk to it. If you do, you're giving away alot more than your presence. They will be able to size you up before you attack. if you're corp shows low numbers, or NPC corp, they wont hesitate to go for you. If you see any possible wormholers around. ALWAYS assume they have more intel than you. If they don't, then thats fine, but at least you were prepared for it. if they do, you just saved yourself the embarrassing killmail.

All the best, and fly safe o/

Matt