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Another CNR vs Rattlensake vs SNI WHICH ONE SHOULD I CHOOSE D:
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Ling Sora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-02-03 19:16:23 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Just my 2isk, as a long time raven runner

Swap the flares for rigors and use T2 launchers, works a dream. Also I'd trade two of those invulns for rat specific ones.

At this point, if you can use them, 3x sentries are more use than the hammerheads.



Lol why does everyone always comment on the hardeners on every setup for every ship? Of course everyone is going to use specific ones lol.

I'm gonna try to finish getting all my skills to IV, at least the ones that deal with EV/ER before I use the T2 launchers.

Yeah, going to start training for sentries after my missile skills are better. Then start training for rattlesnake maybe, not sure yet.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-02-03 19:24:40 UTC
Mainly because there's a still a lot of people that don't know Smile. No offence was intended.

Why though? If the T2 ammo isn't working out (with triple rigors and a painter you may be surprised), don't use it - absolutely no reason not to use the ROF the T2's offer, no matter the ammo.

Plus the prescisions can and will dig you out of elite frigate shaped holes, even at current skill levels.
Ling Sora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-03 19:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ling Sora
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Mainly because there's a still a lot of people that don't know Smile. No offence was intended.

Why though? If the T2 ammo isn't working out (with triple rigors and a painter you may be surprised), don't use it - absolutely no reason not to use the ROF the T2's offer, no matter the ammo.

Plus the prescisions can and will dig you out of elite frigate shaped holes, even at current skill levels.


T2 RoF still not as fast as CN IIRC with all max skills. I forgot exactly where the dps difference was for T2 furies compared to T1 CN launchers, but I'll look it up and see if its worth switching over now. I only have level III specialization and Caldari BS III. I'd like to get both to IV before I switch to T2 launchers. But if my skills are already good enough to apply dps to the BS/BC then I will switch now.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-03 19:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Actualy I misread it, I thought it was faction ammo, not launchers. My bad Oops

Still, precision is worth consideration - you'll be surprised. I was two shotting elite frigs with 'em and a single painter.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2013-02-03 21:54:29 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Actualy I misread it, I thought it was faction ammo, not launchers. My bad [:oops

Still, precision is worth consideration - you'll be surprised. I was two shotting elite frigs with 'em and a single painter.


that almost makes me want to undock my cnr Lol

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-02-03 22:38:24 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Actualy I misread it, I thought it was faction ammo, not launchers. My bad [:oops

Still, precision is worth consideration - you'll be surprised. I was two shotting elite frigs with 'em and a single painter.


that almost makes me want to undock my cnr Lol



Aw don't be like that. Sure, they're treated like second class citizens these days, whereas the reality is that it's a bit more like complaining that your McLaren F1 isn't as quick as your shiny new VeyronCool

Eve is a world where you get what you pay for, and the venerable old CNR still gives very respecable bang for buck, without the need for ludicrous faction/deadspace pimping to make it work very well indeed.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#27 - 2013-02-04 19:32:24 UTC
Paikis wrote:
I ran a CNR with a full T2 fit (except launchers were meta4, because I'm n00b) and it worked much better than the SNI I had been using.

When it comes to missions, the only thing that matters is completion time and not exploding. You need enough tank so that you don't explode, and then anything after that better be more damage, or better damage application or you're wasting slots. As such I would NEVER recommend using an SNI. Never. Of course, I would never recommend a missile ship for running level 4 missions either, but if you have to take one, get a CNR and max it out. Don't even look at the SNI.

I haven't played with a Rattler, but it looks like it caps out at about the same damage as a CNR, but with more tank... but it uses more skill points and will cost you more.


CNR Hisec.

SNI safe-ish null sec.

IMHO
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#28 - 2013-02-04 19:33:16 UTC
Nuela wrote:
[quote=Paikis]I ran a CNR with a full T2 fit (except launchers were meta4, because I'm n00b) and it worked much better than the SNI I had been using.

When it comes to missions, the only thing that matters is completion time and not exploding. You need enough tank so that you don't explode, and then anything after that better be more damage, or better damage application or you're wasting slots. As such I would NEVER recommend using an SNI. Never. Of course, I would never recommend a missile ship for running level 4 missions either, but if you have to take one, get a CNR and max it out. Don't even look at the SNI.

I haven't played with a Rattler, but it looks like it caps out at about the same damage as a CNR, but with more tank... but it uses more skill points and will cost you more.


CNR Hisec.

SNI safe-ish null sec.

IMHO


And for the love of Pete don't put Pith/pimped out crap on your ship. Not needed.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#29 - 2013-02-06 12:31:52 UTC
SNI is just an overtanked Raven. It is good, and you will never die, but the missions will last forever.

CNR is your best choice Imho. Get the typical fit 7X cruises 1X XL booster 1X amp 1X TP 1X cap booster and 2 hardeners. 4 BCU and low spare slot (drone damage or DCU if you want to be safer)

For around 700 mill you have a nice bang for the buck, capable of doing missions reasonably faster than a SNI/Raven and tank even the Angel extravaganza bonus room.

After that... I will recommend either a Tengu (more fun and you can reconfigure it for WH warfare or plex in null) or a Mach (longer training and more expensive)

But you can go CNR all the way.
Zaq Phelps
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-06 20:07:41 UTC
Pretty sure this thread has covered it pretty well, but since tldr:

T2 launchers over faction. T2 ammo is worth it over faction (especially at spec IV)
Sni/cnr... Either way tbh. They're both better than the raven. They both tank and damage better than the raven, so it really depends on your skills, and your mission style preference.
Rattlesnake: t2 sentries, gal bs v, and most drone skills at V or 4 to be worth it.
Lastly, HAMgu. Forget the drones, forget range, straight up smack those rats up close and personal like a pimp. Big smile

If I were making this choice it would be CNR, but that's because I've used it and it works. It's not dissimilar from a raven fitting and it's easy to fly.

/2 cents.
Bow'en
Solutum
#31 - 2013-02-06 22:01:27 UTC
Ran a Raven until I could afford a SNI and never looked back. I am a Dad, and I run two accounts, the SNI better tank means things are more forgiving when my attention is elsewhere.
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#32 - 2013-02-06 22:28:00 UTC
Bow'en wrote:
Ran a Raven until I could afford a SNI and never looked back. I am a Dad, and I run two accounts, the SNI better tank means things are more forgiving when my attention is elsewhere.



When droneskills are up I must say a Rattlesnake is way better for this. with only Gallente BS 4 I put out about 900DPS with Garde IIs and 2 omnis. With only caldari BS 4 I can tank anything. All this in the same fitting.
Bow'en
Solutum
#33 - 2013-02-07 00:58:21 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
Bow'en wrote:
Ran a Raven until I could afford a SNI and never looked back. I am a Dad, and I run two accounts, the SNI better tank means things are more forgiving when my attention is elsewhere.



When droneskills are up I must say a Rattlesnake is way better for this. with only Gallente BS 4 I put out about 900DPS with Garde IIs and 2 omnis. With only caldari BS 4 I can tank anything. All this in the same fitting.

That was the way I was going, but with recent changes I think I will stick with my SNI. Missions aren't really my top priority, so sinking another 600+ mil into another Battleship just isn't high on my list right now. YMMV.
Mad0ne
Kosmosemutid
#34 - 2013-02-07 06:02:36 UTC
many missions require you to move, not going to happen in sentry drone boat...

while dps number is huge, you still have to consider sentry falloff - optimal - tracking etc. Real damage you do can be whooooooole different thing.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-02-07 09:27:33 UTC
Nuela wrote:
And for the love of Pete don't put Pith/pimped out crap on your ship. Not needed.


Actually, navy BCUs are needed in many fits for the CNR, as the ship is insanely tight on the cpu. No deadspace modules needed, though, aye.
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#36 - 2013-02-07 09:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nad'x Hapax
Mad0ne wrote:
many missions require you to move, not going to happen in sentry drone boat...

while dps number is huge, you still have to consider sentry falloff - optimal - tracking etc. Real damage you do can be whooooooole different thing.


I dont agree. In a domi or rattlesnake u dont have to move. Fitting 1-2 OTL will make these "problems" go away.

[Dominix, Beast]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

100MN Afterburner II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


This setup gives me 720 DPS with Gardes II (38km optimal) and 625 DPS with Bouncers II (72km optimal). With guns + Gardes it gives me 900 DPS. If u dont need to travel to gates take away the afterburner for one more OTL for even better range. More than enough tank.


[Rattlesnake, Feeling lazy]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
100MN Afterburner II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Same DPS and range as the Domi but better tank. Take away the afterburner for an OTL. Take away tank for more DPS if overtanked.
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