Jita Park Speakers Corner

Sorry your example just doesn't work. Most people coming from that sort of background don't plaster "Navy SEAL" across their resume. They certainly list they were in the service and an occupation in the service that involves something other than what they did. A company can still hire someone on the grounds that their skill set matches up with what they need for the position they just don't need to know what that person actually did. Only their chain of command needs to know their actual capabilities and service record. In fact going public about being a SEAL, GROM, GIGN, SAS, SPETNAZ and GSG 9 is frowned upon within the respective communities of those operators. Profiting off your experience and writing a book with earn you a personae non gratis status in your community because of the information it can expose. So let's set that aside.

Since we are dealing with players in EVE and their revelation of their identity for the purposes of the CSM let's review what everyone really needs to know. You need to know the alts of the person who is running and their accounts, you need to know they have a solid head on their shoulders, you need to know what they stand for and who they want to represent. Knowing my name and where I live, or how to look up my personal information does not factor into that equation. The only time that information has been used for anything is when psychopaths like Prencleeve Grothsmore develop unhealthy fixations. Then CCP is their to enable that fixation with a treasure trove of information created by their disclosure requirement.

Now in CCP's case they need to know you can travel to Iceland without restriction, you are not a felon, you are not from a rival game company, you are not in violation of the EULA and that you can honor a signed legal document. For that I would be more than happy to let CCP, and CCP alone have that. After all they can manage to protect my identity and billing information somehow. As for my ability to follow a signed legal document they certainly have a legal recourse if they actually opted to use it. You would think if someone was giving away company secrets that the logical course of action would be injunctions and damages, not dangling someone's name out in the public square. In fact the threat of dangling someone's name out there makes little sense as a deterrent. If everyone already has to know my name anyway who cares if my name gets tossed out there again as a breacher of contracts if that's all that comes of it? Now finding myself at the business end of a major lawsuit facing possible punitive damages to dissuade others from breaking NDAs in the future is what I call a deterrent.

CCP Xhagen has stated this is to prevent assholes from getting on the CSM. The thing is CCP can only really know me from my play style in game. If CCP is judging me on that then they enter a slippery slope of validating the argument that what people do in games reflects who they actually are as a person. That gives credence to the people that say playing Call Of Duty turns you into a mass murderer, and we play a game where we blow each other up, market manipulate, engage in Machiavellian scheming or sit in front of asteroids for hours on end doing nothing. You validate that argument you make it that much easier to dictate and censor what can be done in a game. No electronic entertainment company wants to be the one that everyone points the finger at as to who let the conservatives in the door and ruin another fun thing. So CCP should bite the bullet and take a chance on the people they trust to elect the CSM, the player base. That's the real filter. If a candidate is a complete ******* with bad ideas the voters will not elect that candidate and the player base will laugh them right out of the election before it even starts. Leave the filtering to the player base, the vetting to CCP and the natural right of privacy to the individual player.

I don't think you actually read my last post carefully, so let me condense it down to something more manageable for you:

1. Navy SEALs have nothing to do with EVE Online and that makes for a bad example. Further more your bad example was incorrect.

2. The player base only needs to know if you have a good head on your shoulders, obviously campaigning on a platform and your in game experience is all they really have to go on. A name and location don't add anything into to factoring a candidate's suitability.

3. CCP is the one with the actual need to know the most about you, and giving them that information is fine.

4. Being held to a legal contract is the only real deterrent to bad behavior.

5. The filtering process against "behaviorally problematic candidates" is the election itself.

6. The only use for a candidate's real life name and location is for harassment.

7. CCP's argument for "behavioral controls" can be twisted into an argument for censorship and content control which has a broader negative impact than simply having to work with a volunteer you don't get along with.

Well the military ops people ( who are usually older) use to be able it seemed like to be able to move on pretty easily. Either into the security or training world. Or Haney from delta, became a writer of books as well as for a television series, which is kind of done more now with video games as well.

Not all the ops people probably go the Haney route, but might not find jobs in the security world as well. And with them being older, as well as not having the higher rank the officers would get. It would be hard for them to assimilate to civilian life as easy as other people.

You almost take their code of morals for granted, but it could be harder, especially with the bad economy and such. But if the military and higher ups don't take care of the operators, I am sure a lot of things frowned upon could happen more regularly. (I think Haney was written off by DELTA for writing so much, but he seemed to enjoy doing what he did, so who knows who the winners are. Especially since most likely current delta and Haney both never did drugs. I bet the FBI has a real problem on their hands, with no easy answer to be found.)

"You validate that argument you make it that much easier to dictate and censor what can be done in a game."

I will admit, I probably fall into the category more often then any other one.

But I would say that CCP is more then an electronics company as well. They seem to like being independent and hip and pushing new ideas. So I imagine they have extra layers of hating censorship. Unless censorship was new and hip. But I tease myself too much.

"personae non gratis status"

Also, look at you using big words. How about you handle content control, while I am in charge of Censorship.

I mostly took his point 7 as an argument against behavior controls all together, but maybe he just meant bad or misguided behavior controls. (That is a hard thing to argue as well, since Scooter has already introduced society into the mix. Almost wouldn't want to touch it.)

Well we can punish them in the elections by not voting for them, or by trolling them. Suppose that could be bad, like ya say it is. Why ISD and Dev Mods are so involved. Suppose trolls don't have a right to troll, like ya say, but they keep on trollin'.

Besides, I usually agree with CCP being the arbitrator of punishment or so defined through the EULA or the business rules or law enforcement rules, if things went that far. Not really the players. Which is why we are so angry in this thread, since they don't seem to be doing their job, and iceland doesn't have mexicans so they can't tell us their jobs were stolen.

Right, it's worst case, and CCP is directly enabling and encouraging it by needlessly publishing people's RL identities. Of course harassment can still happen, nothing will eliminate it entirely. There's still no reason at all for CCP to enable harassment by publishing RL names, though.



It's surprisingly easy to mitigate. It's called "stop publishing people's identities, CCP".

Right, and the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD is that said "dangers" they will deal with because of CCP releasing their names are entirely unnecessary as CCP has no good reason at all to release their names. All that stuff about self censorship etc etc are just additional downsides to CCP needlessly releasing said information. We also know CCP's justifications for releasing the information, we just think they're unacceptable.

Again, for the cheap seats, the argument is THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO RELEASE THE INFORMATION TO THE PLAYERBASE. Can you possibly stick to that instead of rambling incoherently about **** knows what that has nothing to do with the above argument?

Hi,

As CCP Xhagen has stated; CCP's position on this has not changed.

Since this is CCP policy and not up for debate, and because the thread itself has become unconstructive, we've decided to lock this thread, as unconstructive posts and threads are against the forum rules.



I apologise for my previously somewhat spartan lock message, I hope this serves to clarify the situation here.