EVE General Discussion

Came to the thread expecting a write-up from a lubed bitter vet on TM. Left very satisfied.

No, security status actually pretty much looks like a mechanic to keep You out of what was intended to be a noob Zone, or at least remove the risk free haven for people who insist on imposing their style of play onto other layers. It works as intended.

You can decide to enter highsec or You can decide to stay out of it, there's enough player driven industry to get everything You need in null or lowsec, too. You don't need to enter Highsec to buy all the sineys You want.

At the same time the decision to train or not train Your clone is no decition at all because not training Your clone is just plain stupid, it has no advantages at all.

Agree with the clone stuff. Not that fussed about the insurance stuff though.

No, it's a hard truth. If you're complaining about the cost of clones then you're one of two things:

1) You're a player who is dying way too often. I assume this to be PVP related and not participating in other facets of the game enough to afford it.

or

2) Your toon is so old that the cost of dying is prohibitively expensive but it still means you're not participating in the other facets that would have you afford it.

Which ever one of those you are is hilariously ironic. It's the antithesis of carebearism. So much so that I suppose you could call it pvpbearism, wanting your pvp but nothing more of the game. You want your pvp but you don't want to do anything else in the game to afford it. You want it handed to you on a platter as if you're some God given gift to the game. It's hilariously ironic because now we have a whine thread from the pvp'ers that, OMFG, you might have to do something other than pewpew! HTFU! There's a plethora of ways to passively make buttloads of isk in this game.

Another hard truth of this game is, it's a giant isk sink, aka CCP's business model. Now, you can afford that either by whipping out your credit card everytime you need isk or grinding isk. You're free to choose your method. If all you want to do is come on, pewpew and then leave you're going to need a working credit card, my friend. Otherwise, you better learn how to carebear it up! The only other alternative is going to play some FPS where you can die over and over and over again without any cost. Afterall, Eve is about risk vs reward. Blindly dying ad nauseam is by no means a "risk" and therefore not to be rewarded. So the next time your FC orders you to die in a ball of fire, perhaps you should weigh the risk you're taking versus the reward you shall reap.

Oh the irony! After years of the PVP'ers admonishing, ridiculing, denigrating, scoffing at the players they've labeled carebears, they might just need to become what they've so hated!

Account age does no equal customer loyalty. (Character Bazaar)

Alliances need to adapt. They already provide Welfare with SRP's, now it's time to tackle the problem of an aging population with Pension Plans

Yeah they are.

I disagree that clone costs should be lowered or removed.

Risk/reward. You want to fly that 80 mil sp pilot? You are going to risk the cost of a clone to have that reward.

If you don't want to pay the clone bills you can always stop training skills.

Either way, I"m sure the majority won't agree with me on this. I understand and respect teh viewpoint that clone costs shoudl be reduced/removed.

EVE is a game that uses the fact you don't have to grind to gain XP.
but apparently it's 'very important' you gotta grind increasingly order to actively use the character

Scrubs should stop training after the rifter skillplan's completion.

It's like CCP assumed that the more SP you have, the longer you've played, and the more ISK you have at your disposal.

Or like they though tthat the skill point curve wouuld encourage people to skill one character into filling a role, and then skill another character into another role. Like we would self regulate ourselves and only skill a character to a reasonable level.

Why else would you put a curve in the way they did, other than to say, "you should stop training on this character now."


I think the skill curve is a failed incentive to get us to use the other two characters on a single account.
Honestly now, I think it's safe to say that the number of people who actually train skills on more than one character, on a single account, is so small as to be considered non-existant.

There's no reason to have the curve.
Just put a cap on clone cost for X amount of SP, that is reasonable. The only reason for clone cost is lore, it would be strange to not have to pay for someone to keep making me new bodies.

I imagine there are people in EVE who have paid more in clone cost than taxes in the game.
We have negligable taxes for everyone, and rediculous clone costs for people who get podded often? That makes no sense.