Crime & Punishment

The answer is no. But by all the gods, angels and demons in all the pantheons he'll not relent until the world acknowledges that he's right in whatever point it is that he's trying to make, regardless of whether or not of it's actual veracity. For the love of all that's unholy please kill it with fire and make it stop poasting.

Oh dear...completely failing to answer the question debated here...try again.

I'm sure he can guess something to think about the supposed speculations.

How is that relevant to anything? Why should a player be able to easily escape from a trap laid for them by over a dozen players without any help?





CODE institutionalized bumping miners, leading to this thread. Why are freighters different?

Assuming that the volume sold in Jita on 9/2 was the entire volume of freighters and jump freighters in motion that day and each freighter made only one trip, and assuming your claim that there were 6 killed that day is not a lie, then freighters have a 94% survival rate. So where's the problem?

Bumping is still not a hostile act in EVE. Just because you want it to be one doesn't mean that it is.

Veers, you have had about 400 comments this month concerning this topic.
At the time of this post you have about 20 likes.

I say this to point out that you might not have the support that would be needed to implement a game breaking change to bumping mechanics.

Pods do not get any such grace period. They can be bumped and otherwise interacted with the moment they're ejected from a ship (voluntarily or involuntarily). So the supposition that you've now decided to base your "fix" to the nonproblem is false.




Got any proof of that, or is it another lie?




So why haven't you bothered to try to defend yours with any evidence?


And finally, why is it a problem when the hilariously lowballed first order estimate for freighter survival is 94%?

Which is a function of EVE's 1s server resolution, not its own game mechanic.





Emphasis mine. Cite an actual source for the claim you actually made, or stop lying.



And how many Freighters have passed through Uedama in that time? Total numbers killed is a worthless metric. Go count.
Until you're willing to do that (y'know, provide evidence for your assertions), we'll assume that freighters account for a tenth of the system's traffic, or 3020 jumps. Where's the problem you have with a 99.8% survival rate?


Every one of those killed had a positive expected value for their gankers.
How is it a problem that ships are exploding?
MiniLuv was on the same or larger scale two years ago. (And they used the exact same mechanics.)

I know that you know all of this because I've told you several times. So it can only be assumed that you are intentionally saying false things.
In other words, why do you continue to lie?

Well, my patience with you has finished. This will be my last response to you for now, I'm not sure you understand what a "lie" is.

1. Irrelevant...I suggested letting the gank targets warp off like pods cans. It's a simple mechanic.

2. This is the evidence I have. Merely stating that you do not like it does not make it a "lie.' In fact, to prove that I am "lying" you would need to supply conclusive evidence of the opposite. Instead you supplied nothing and accused me of "lying." Nice.

3. That's a wildly inflated number for Freighter jumps. And anyhow, the key is the relative change. Uedama went from a normal system to Freighter carnage over the past month. Today, 13 freighters have died in the span of 5 hours, all killed by CODE. Did Miniluv hit at anywhere near that rate? That's a rate of around 60 a day, or 1800 a month. From the numbers I saw monthly freighter kills have not exceeded 250 or so. And that's before the latest changes which allowed freighters to fit bulkheads for max ehp (and yes, one killmail has 3 bulkheads. He still died. Presumably bumping was involved. Disagreeing with you (and you provided no evidence), is not a "lie."

4. Obviously I know that the gankers derive utility from xploding ships. The point is that as Eve regards the gank, thinking in isk, its strongly -EV. And having people repeatedly doing strongly -EV things (as Eve looks at it), and harming a lot of highsec in the process, is the kind of thing that should lead to some thought about mechanics changes.

1. Gank targets already can warp off in exactly the same manner that pods can, using the exact same mechanics.

2. Then your claim was a lie. You claimed that HS has the most people, and presented evidence (for which, Kudos) that it might have the most characters. Characters are not people and people are not characters (as you made clear in your *own* claim). There is, in fact, no relationship between characters and people (I, for example, have always had more characters in HS than anywhere else, by a large margin, no matter where I lived, because game mechanics hugely reward you for maintaining a HS posse.)

3. I called on you to provide evidence for your claim and offered an assumption (clearly labeled as such) to use until you can provide such. I also, earlier put a lower bound, at about 100 freighter trips per day EVE-wide which resulted in a calculated survival rate of 94%.
3a. So show me the 1800 killmails a month. I can claim to run a sub-2-hour marathon if I'm allowed to extrapolate from my 400m time. (And looking at Dotlan's kills over 48hrs, you're doing exactly that).

4. EVE doesn't have defined goals the way you seem to think it does. EVE does not look to define anyone's value functions, and never has. If it did, and they were exclusively ISK-based Expected Value functions, nobody would PvP anywhere except ganking. Also, CODE is making ISK off of every gank they perform.
4a. You've presented no evidence of any harm coming to highsec from HS players engaging in the core EVE activity of pixel violence.