Player Features and Ideas Discussion

if you want safeish mining go HS

I risk my ship ratting in null, you can easily log out at the station gates, and log in bubble them catch the people trying to safe up. or jump into the system and catch the people who dont see local fast enough.

But when the cloaker is most likely part of a large coalition, (lets say he is actually part of goonswarm - why goonswarm, because in mycase thats who it is-)

when the cloaker is a goon, and lets say you have 5 people in cruisers ready to pvp him when he engages (and scrams) suddenly your pvp fit ratting ships is surrounded by carriers or bridged a fleet in) what now?

u risk ur ship? but u instantly know when a bad guy is in local. trust me, the reason u hardly ever lose ur ratting ship in null is not 'because ur good'. its because there is so little risk. why do u think everyone is always telling u that null is safer than low sec?



have u even tried this? didnt think so.

if they cyno a fleet then why dnt u cyno ur own fleet in? why do u think its normal to be able to hold the most valuable space in the game without the need to defend it?

ok I (a peon in my alliance) will somehow organize a counter-hotdrop, and have everyone on standby just for the possiblity that the afk cloaker is at his keyboard waiting for me to start ratting..... do you see how unreasonable that sounds.



I dont lose alot of ships ratting because, I pay attention. I have to pay attention to local to rat in nullsec and if I get up pour a drink or deal with a real life emergency I know that chance of me leaving my computer for just aminute may result in my demise.


I am content with how the system works right now, (I would just have a better game experience if I afk cloakers wherent so prominent)

then it sounds like ur entire alliance doesnt deserve to be there, they should be prepared to protect their assets (including their pilots). u line their coffers with isk, so if they dnt protect u, find an alliance that will. that is not unreasonable, thats teamwork.



so paying attention and hiding in caves is all u need to do to live in the most dangerous space in eve? hold the phone!
that sounds much more exciting than players having to work together and physically defend their assets.

really, a covert group should be able to sneak behind enemy lines and attack any exposed link in the isk chain. But, since they cant because they can always be seen coming, afk cloaking is the best way to gimp an enemies isk income. its an alternative to attacking supply lines

In before Nikk Narrel,
AFK cloaking is caused by having local.

Cloaks do NOT lock down systems. YOU DO. You choose to allow the hypothetical 'What ifs" to dictate whether you play the game and continue on with your life, whether you lock yourself in your basement or go outside.

Lets ban War Decs because some CEO's tell their entire corp never to undock. Because they might be killed by War Dec.

Essentially it is your over reaction that gives power to cloakers. Your inability to comprehend and out think your opposition. The entire premise of cloak ships is to act in an assassination fashion. To selectively choose targets and dictate the engagement - At the same time these ships are extremely vulnerable to regular military forces. You choose to rather evade the target and not play, rather then actually taking action to bait and destroy them.

Yes, because we can really tell whether the cloaky is afk or active. Nothing like stopping what you would otherwise do to bait someone for the whole day who it turns out in the end isn't actually there... or decides that you are baiting so sits back smiling. So you what? Carry on as usual the next day to find that ****, they are now randomly back and are now screwing you over. Giggles 'n enjoyment of the game for one player at least right?

Never asked for removal of cloaking, just something realistic that can be done to counter them. Something that an active person can do to make game play at least semi enjoyable for more than just the one cloaked.

Quit with the crap about "you do it to yourselves". We are human beings attempting to play a game for at least some sort of enjoyment. This mechanic as it is, is not friendly or compatible with basic human nature. The cloaky has the upper hand and will continue too have the upper hand until it's ballanced in some way. People are merely wanting a PRACTICAL and workable counter that doesn't involve some fantasy role play crap where all the players online aren't alts of the same person or afk or mindless, emotionless robots.

At the moment, the most practical solution is to log as moving to new systems invariably lands you in the same spot with the same issue. Possibly with an alt of the last cloaky even. Also, the more kills a cloaky gets, the more they come back. It's a loose /loose for those on the receiving end.

RANT RANT.

Well here is a pretty fun fact, your mining? Great! Okay. Align out, while you mine! Use a Procurer [maybe even add warp core stabilizers]. You see, if its a manticore, you can actually kill it with your procurer using drones. You also have a substantial tank to literally tank him. Arazu? Rapier? well once they uncloak they have a 5 second re calibration time [At max skills] which gives you time to warp away. If they are warping to you uncloaked you may pick them up on D-Scan.

Man, surviving is hard!

This.

I'm going to have to get on SiSi to see who wins out of a bomber and a tanked Mack using Warrior IIs. My money's on the Mack.