Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello, capsuleers!

Today cloaked ships are used for different aims, but I want to focus the attention on so called ‘lamps’ (cloaked ships which stay many days in certain nullsec system purposely for espionage and sabotage)
Those lamps cannot be influenced with direct methods (cannot be scanned and killed), only with indirect methods (carebearing in pvp fits, trap-barges or trap-anything, blocking gates with bubbles, drones, containers; and other methods).
That is good I think. We in Russian community have nothing again lamps. But we are against afk-lamps, when pilot can do anything he wants away from keybrd, but not playing Eve. And we even don’t have a chance to punish him for afking :evil:
That’s why we at Russian community designed some ideas of cloak-mechanic changes.
These changes consist of two parts: adding stealth-scanning structures for pos plus analogic module for ship (not for all ships) and adding some new kinds of cloaking devices.
Now in details.
Pos structures. One structure is needed just for detecting stealth signatures in whole system’s space (it don’t say where cloaked ship is located). It lists the codes of signatures which it has founded. You count them then compare to local and then figure out – how much cloaked ships you have in system. The cycle of this structure only 10-15 sec. It eats no fuel.
The idea for another structure is here: When it is activated it scans for 30-50 min (depends on ship signature) the cloaked ship, after that it gives exact coordinates of cloaked ship and fleet can warp there. Ok, but stealth is still cloaked. Now the task is to find it in grid. There is an idea that we need a special ship (maybe electronic attack ship) with special module, which connects to the structure on the pos and show the ‘pattern’ of cloaked ship in space (in grid) after what combat ships must get close to the ‘pattern’ to decloak the spy.
As you see the scanning process is rather hard, and any active pilot of stealth can react in time and get rid of pursuers. Also, in this mechanic, pilot of stealth can break the scanning of himself. He need simply to warp to another safespot or two. When he does this, the structure finishes the scan process with fail.
Need to mention: this structure eats fuel every cycle of scan.
So what is this hell needed for? As I said, active pilot of stealth ship can easily avoid scanning of himself. But the afk-pilots will be found and punished. Cruelly. :evil:
Also we need a similar scan-modules for fitting on the certain ships (for balance) but with worse stats.

Cloaking devices
After some discussions we at Russian community decided that eve need several types of cloaking devices. 2 already exists.
1) Prototype cloaking device. It cannot be used for sudden attack because of recalibration time penalty. also it gives no advantages when escaping the gatecamps. So, we think, it should be not scannable nor by structures nor by ships. The general purpose of this CD is comfortable sitting in afk (for ex. in motherships). When activated this CD pilot is seen in localchat.
2) Covertops cloaking device. It gives nice opportunities for attack when fitted on bomber or force recon. When this CD is activated, pilot should not be seen in local chat, but his ship can be scanned down by structure or by specship.
3) The variation of covert ops cd, but with 1 feature. It works only 10 min, then it go to ‘recalibration’ state for 30 min, where it cannot be activated. but in that 10 mins ship cannot be detected with cloak-scanner ships at all, it can be detected only with pos structure. Of course this period pilot is not shown in local. So these features make such cloaking device irreplaceable for fast sabotage operations.
4) you can add your own….


What do you think about all this?
Do you share our point of view that lamps must not be killed, but they should lose some percentage of their cloak-invulnerability?
If you see holes in our cloak mechanics, please let me know! )
Also you can visit our 'lamp' topic - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150073&p=38
Sincerely yours, Cron & members of Russian community.

Nikk Narrel
They use mechanic of imba-invulnerability, so I can't interact with them. Except for chatting in local.

So you say.

Yet you imply that you are aware of their presence, despite the fact they seem to be AFK, and also hidden from your sensors by a cloak.
This suggests they did nothing to notify others in the system they were present, as well as showing that you did not detect them with any efforts on your part.

How is this possible? Who or what informed you a cloaked vessel was present in this manner?

at least there is a proposal for a cloaking device that removes u from local.

just extend that to all cloaks or the removal of local completely, and then a way to find cloaks would be great

The sample cloak ideas he mentions are not all bad, but they don't address the core issue about why AFK Cloaking exists.

For that reason alone, they won't stop it from happening.

Granted it's annoying to see them and not know where they are and what they are up to, but it's some guy's idea of a great day of playing eve. Silently he sits there, hour after hour, day after day..... until finally.... he sees something.

SO WHAT!

Russian community is all upset over spais- uh ohs... get over it.

How about something like a Anti-cloak pulse emitter, that has the same range and fitting requirements as a smartbomb of appropriate size, instead of damage it just pulses out an anti cloak wave. Sound like fun? Fly every square meter of a system- knock yourselves out- find that cloaky ship and win a prize... for you sir, the giant stuffed teddybear!

your sarcasm detector busted or sumthin baldie? no kiddin... i give sarcasm and you take legitimacy? yikes -thats some give and take

When hunting in Zero sec space, its difficult for cloaked vessels to find targest because they all scurry away to POS Shields / Outposts and Stations.

They never come out if there is an unknown in the system. Its also impossible to know if they are AFK or not. They often whine on the forums and ask for huge game changes that remove areas of risk in zero sec space.

I call these ZeroBunnies

What we need is a module that when activated, kicks all those people out of their stations.
If there are not AFK then they can simply dock back up.

[/sarcasm]


But Seriously....
Remove Cloaked vessels from local, and remove that vessel's access to local when cloaked.

Problem Solved.

LOL...

The comment was more for those who have been suggesting similar ideas, and are serious.

I wish I could honestly say I had not heard serious proposals of worse ideas... I really do.

HUGS to Mikaila

I dont know what needs done, but I know that it would greatly effect me and my friends in eve if we could combat somebody locking down our ratting system