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Hi sec, low sec, null sec...what sec?
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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#21 - 2011-10-11 08:22:01 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates (assured of no sovereign retribution) operate there in hopes of blobbing hapless so-called "care bears"( who wander in) for easy kills, and epeen strokes. Low sec is boring? Why hell yes. Why wouldn't it be? Everybody who's got business out there is already there staring at each other wondering where the buffoons are and why won't they come in here and let us trounce them?!

Null sec...it's common knowledge (with few exceptions) unless you're in a well-organized group with good SP, better ships, tons of money, and active players, null sec is a place you hope to get to one day, if everything goes well, and luck is on your side. Till that time, it's a noble goal. Null sec players might bear that in mind if they're wanting to populate their playpen. New players have to be trained and groomed to operate there, and you're the ones with the know-how, and resources to help people make the transition. It's not lost on us lesser players null sec players whine about how lonely it is out there, but rarely lift a pinky finger to change that.

High sec? Let's see...it's all kinds of dumb to stay in an area where you won't lose everything you own in one shot and have to start all over. Stupid dumb. Even though "all" those people in low and null sec have years in the game, and the SP to prove it, high sec players are just plain stupid for staying safe, working to build their abilities and resources, and biding their time till something good comes along to transition their game to a different level.

So...I hope I'm following this...all these outraged and disparaging players assaulting our integrity and insulting our courage for staying in high sec are actually trolling for victims to pad their killboards. If we take their advice and roll the dice to go into these two zones - low and null sec - they'll ambush us, rob us and laugh at us for listening to them at all. In fact...this has become such common knowledge a certain Alliance has had to break from their own digs and come raiding helpless mining ships cause they can't get game where they claim they're the boss of the house...padding their killboards in a frenzy of digital nailbiting...

Do I have this right? Hmmmm....



Nullsec is generally more work. you have to be organised and active. there is no casual play there as people want killboard stats to show that you have been online. Most of the Epeens who say that they log on when they want are lying as there are untold cases of people who have done that and either been kicked out or logged on to find themselves surrounded by russians and there old alliance no where to be seen


Lowsec only has a very small number of things going for it. If you want to do PI you can get a better rate from lowsec and its pretty safe to do. Certain missions are worthwhile but they are only in one system i can think of. Everything else is junk. Exploration is a waste of time as the best you can hope for is 5/10 plex or an nullsec hidden belt. but then you still have to get the stuff out and good luck bring in your hulk. There are no financial rewards in lowsec than cannot be beaten by highsec.


Highsec. Eve online easy street and the only option for the casual player. Plus highsec wars and general pvp is completely different to other secs and a lot of returnee nullsecers prefer it. I know that i do.


If you disagree with me you hate america and support terrorism





I live in lowsec. I pirate, I explore, I look for Good fights. I do some very minor PI (enough to cover ammo and ship repairs ).
Lowsec isn't very dangerous if you have half a brain. It takes you a few days to learn the various safe habits so you don't die to every gatecamp, competing pirate and the occasional anti pirate. People who say the risk isn't worth the reward don't live there. The risks are minimal and things like complexes can provide alot of isk. There's delicious roids, better PI and easier pvp for those that want it. There's also missions with better payout. Sur you have to alter your fits a bit from what you use in high sec, but really it's not a huge problem.

Lowsec has MANY people with bounties. Killing them provides delicious isk as well.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#22 - 2011-10-11 08:28:45 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Lowsec has really no advantage over Highsec or Nullsec. It has more risk with much less reward.

Mining in lowsec is less profitable than mining in highsec.

You still need standings to anchor a tower in lowsec and charters if you are in a 0.4.

PI and moon are crap.

The rats are typical missions rats that you can easy get in level 4's.

Lowsec is only used for LEVEL 5 missions, staging to nullsec/WH, and running from concord and faction police.


Wait, what ?

Low sec has more risk but way bigger rewards in my gameplay.
Cannot comment about the mining as it's not my thing.
I have had more Officers in lowsec in the past month than anywhere else. Maybe I'm just lucky.
I am of course assuming that all Regions are equal.


COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#23 - 2011-10-11 08:35:18 UTC
My father used to say:

A dumb man keeps on doing the same mistakes
A smart man learns with his mistakes

And a wise man lears with other people's mistakes.


We are teaching you our mistakes in hopes you won't make them yourself.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Marcus Wilde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-10-11 09:04:10 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates ...


Got that far and lol'd. QQ, cry moar, go back to WoW, etc. That about cover it?


Exactly what I was thinking! See his killboard? It's EPIC!!!Roll

OP, come back when you have a clue!

Tears + Bucket = Win
Othran
Route One
#25 - 2011-10-11 09:10:30 UTC
I appear to have missed the part where your ships instantly explode when you leave high-sec? Roll

That seems to be the tl;dr of the OP.

Low-sec is crap at the moment for the simple reason that unless you're in FW or you're a low-sec roamer/PVPr there's no reason to go there. Oh - nicer wormholes to null and the occasional BS rat I suppose, but its hardly going to fire your enthusiasm. Not a lot anyone can do about it - IMHO CCP have never had a plan for low-sec and I don't see it changing.

NPC null - depends on region and timezone as to how decent it is. Not exactly hard to get into or out of.

Sov null - mainly carebears. By that I mean they don't undock to do much other than rat unless someone is shouting at them for a CTA. Anyone who has been in a sov holding alliance KNOWS that 95% of the alliance will avoid PvP if at all possible. You know that these people are not going to go investigate a neutral who has been reported on intel channels, they'll just dock up.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-10-11 09:39:41 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

Low might be more interesting and more populated if caps were removed. Dunno. Just a thought.


People take down towers all the time in wormholes or even high-sec without caps.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-10-11 13:59:44 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
My father used to say:

A dumb man keeps on doing the same mistakes
A smart man learns with his mistakes

And a wise man lears with other people's mistakes.


We are teaching you our mistakes in hopes you won't make them yourself.


To counter the argument your father said : as an figure of respect.

If you learn from other people mistakes, is it you who plays your life or are you an servant for an missed opportunity of those who learned ?
Raid'En
#28 - 2011-10-11 14:05:40 UTC
Quote:
Hi sec, low sec, null sec...what sec?

... and that's why wormhole space was created.
Killie
Space Buddies
#29 - 2011-10-11 14:45:53 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
My father used to say:

A dumb man keeps on doing the same mistakes
A smart man learns with his mistakes

And a wise man lears with other people's mistakes.


We are teaching you our mistakes in hopes you won't make them yourself.


To counter the argument your father said : as an figure of respect.

If you learn from other people mistakes, is it you who plays your life or are you an servant for an missed opportunity of those who learned ?


...... I didn't check my dscan and got blown up because I didn't see combat probes....... can you learn something from that? or are you missing an opportunity. Sorry but what you said is ********
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-10-11 15:15:57 UTC
OP doesn't have the faintest clue about low sec in general or any particular area of low sec.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#31 - 2011-10-11 15:32:10 UTC
Low sec is a poorly implemented idea and broken beyond any hope of fixing.

Get rid of it. It's a scab that needs to be removed. A blight that serves no purpose. Wasted space.

0.3 and higher becomes high sec and 0.2 and lower becomes null. There is no need whatsoever for a so called 'buffer' between the two. The only areas of EVE with population are null and high sec, so make EVE all null and high sec.

In fact, I'd get rid of the security levels all together. Just two zones. Settled and frontier. All that's needed, imo.

'nuff said

Mr Epeen Cool
Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
#32 - 2011-10-11 15:57:52 UTC
Marcus Wilde wrote:

Exactly what I was thinking! See his killboard? It's EPIC!!!Roll

OP, come back when you have a clue!


Given that his self-given (sole person) corporate title is "Secret Enigma" in Hindi (I didn't translate the rest), I just assumed that Vyl Vit was an alt of someone otherwise active elsewhere (no, not one of mine). That seemed to match what I thought was irony in his original post. But that might not be the case, and I might be wrong; he might be aiming for thought-provoking with a dash of insouciance. His website seems set up with useful EVE links.

OP, consider adding these three links to your list of resources (I also like Chruker's).

IGB POS Planner:
http://eve.1019.net/pos/

Skill Training Complete:
http://skilltrainingcomplete.com/

Jowen Datloran's Lorebook:
http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php


As for me, I still have a particularly perverse love of both low sec and of the NPC null sec regions (years later, I still have stuff strewn across Syndicate and a thing or two in Curse!). And low sec courier missions beat the hell out of high sec ones.

I will say that the responses I've seen shows that the OP could troll effectively, did he set his mind to it (y'all bit, and so did I). ^_^
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2011-10-11 16:03:47 UTC
The absolute biggest problem I do see in low sec that there are those who live in low sec and complain about it, yet no matter what is suggested to fix it they don't want it to change at all becuase it violates thier sensibilites to everything what they think low sec is other than lack of people to shoot.

I was almost going to name this phenom as the Field of Dreams paradox, If you never build it would they ever come?

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Vyl Vit
#34 - 2011-10-11 17:19:15 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates ...


Got that far and lol'd. QQ, cry moar, go back to WoW, etc. That about cover it?

Wow. We hooked a wannabee pirate! Big surprise, eh? That about cover it?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Vyl Vit
#35 - 2011-10-11 17:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Marcus Wilde wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates ...


Got that far and lol'd. QQ, cry moar, go back to WoW, etc. That about cover it?


Exactly what I was thinking! See his killboard? It's EPIC!!!Roll

OP, come back when you have a clue!


My killboard? You had to look? Hmmm...I wonder if I'm wearing the right shoes. I guess this means I can't sit at the cool kids' table. Rats.

Some people are creative. Some people are destructive. Go figure...or, would you like some sign language with that?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#36 - 2011-10-11 17:32:21 UTC
My killboard declares I made 24 kills, I swear I only remember 4 of those every really happening and my own kill log show 0 player kills and alot of deaths by npcs.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-11 17:43:34 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:


Null sec...it's common knowledge (with few exceptions) unless you're in a well-organized group with good SP, better ships, tons of money, and active players, null sec is a place you hope to get to one day, if everything goes well, and luck is on your side. Till that time, it's a noble goal. Null sec players might bear that in mind if they're wanting to populate their playpen. New players have to be trained and groomed to operate there, and you're the ones with the know-how, and resources to help people make the transition. It's not lost on us lesser players null sec players whine about how lonely it is out there, but rarely lift a pinky finger to change that.


To the OP: You are so horribly misinformed about nullsec that its not even funny. I moved out to deklein when I had been playing this game for only 2-3 weeks, and had 10x more fun and made 25x more isk out there than I ever did running the same old ****** lvl 3/4s in empire. People are just afraid to move out of empire, it becomes a crutch that you rely upon, when in reality anyone could move out to NPC nullsec and start making isk and having fun they just choose not to. They hear all the stories about big bad evil nullsec empires so they decide to not even try. There are vast stretches of nullsec that are virually uninhabited. This game has a built in risk/reward scale, and if you never take any risks, you won't get any rewards... if you choose not to take any risks and therefore don't receive any rewards then don't get on the forums and complain about it. The greatest part of our campaign is that we're finally bringing a little bit of risk to you guys, whether you like it or not.
Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
#38 - 2011-10-11 17:50:12 UTC
Botleten wrote:

To the OP: You are so horribly misinformed about nullsec that its not even funny. . . . They hear all the stories about big bad evil nullsec empires so they decide to not even try. There are vast stretches of nullsec that are virually uninhabited. This game has a built in risk/reward scale, and if you never take any risks, you won't get any rewards... if you choose not to take any risks and therefore don't receive any rewards then don't get on the forums and complain about it. The greatest part of our campaign is that we're finally bringing a little bit of risk to you guys, whether you like it or not.


Given these:
1) The OP lost a handful of ships kicking around the active parts of Minnie lowsec up by Hek; and...
2) The OP starts off with "Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. "

I'm gonna guess that everything he said was tongue in cheek?
But I could be wrong; people fascinate me because I don't ever completely figure them out. ^_^
The Apostle
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-10-11 20:37:51 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
The Apostle wrote:

Low might be more interesting and more populated if caps were removed. Dunno. Just a thought.


People take down towers all the time in wormholes or even high-sec without caps.

Agreed. Difference is in high I got 24hrs to decide to fight or scamper. In a WH my rewards are 10 fold what I can get out of lowsec.

The ol' risk v reward. Low is just simply not worth the trouble to POS op unless you can blue up everyone and if I could do that, I'd be in 0.0 anyway.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Vyl Vit
#40 - 2011-10-13 04:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Kinroi Alari wrote:
Botleten wrote:

To the OP: You are so horribly misinformed about nullsec that its not even funny. . . . They hear all the stories about big bad evil nullsec empires so they decide to not even try. There are vast stretches of nullsec that are virually uninhabited. This game has a built in risk/reward scale, and if you never take any risks, you won't get any rewards... if you choose not to take any risks and therefore don't receive any rewards then don't get on the forums and complain about it. The greatest part of our campaign is that we're finally bringing a little bit of risk to you guys, whether you like it or not.


Given these:
1) The OP lost a handful of ships kicking around the active parts of Minnie lowsec up by Hek; and...
2) The OP starts off with "Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. "

I'm gonna guess that everything he said was tongue in cheek?
But I could be wrong; people fascinate me because I don't ever completely figure them out. ^_^

In a sense it's tongue-in-cheek, or in'souciance (contrary to a stated opinion.) I don't know why folks insist on reading things in the negative all the time, "He has to be mad, or cryin'." It could be he is using a form of humor that some folks get (if they're of one view) and others don't (if they're of another view.)

Yes indeed I lost, as I mentioned in the My Worst Loss thread, a few ships in low sec. What of it? What drives what I do with this toon here is strictly utilitarian. He serves the function he's designed to serve. So, trying to brush off the points I've made by amateur psychoanalysis or killboard reading is just that, an attempt to just summarily sh*tcan the discussion with no real thought.

Yet, it remains there is a lot of truth to my OP. The impression is the reality. Step off this cliff, there's a nice cushy mattress at the bottom to break your fall. Trust me. This, in a game that prides itself in eschewing trust at the get-go. That's probably the point being danced around. We're members of a supposedly advanced civilization applying horrendously barbaric logic to our activities here, for which there is no logical loophole. It is what it is.

The intended purpose of the OP was to engage in a discussion, given the "impressions" that prevail, as to how to move the population into low or null sec. It's not like that topic is out of the blue. It's all over the forum. Some folks are saying to force people into those areas using game dynamics. This recent foray into popping mining ships in high sec was trumpeted by the participants as being motivated by nothing really going on out where they supposedly own everything.

But, regardless, people tend to show their hands. I get hostile, vitriol from people claiming it's dumb to stay in high sec cause of the (truthfully) higher reward/risk component. At the same time, they show what kind of people are waiting out there by how they communicate on this board - heathens and proud uvvit.

Perhaps it's as it should be and all the true QQ folks made it that way. So, deal with it.

You can bet this is an alt, however. My main doesn't post on this board. Why? (Who cares?) It's always been a matter of trust.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
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