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Research Exploit

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Amaloy Jeqcovy
Raytheon Intergalactic Research
#1 - 2013-01-28 00:56:22 UTC
There is a game mechanic that can be exploited to make certain that you have research slots available in an NPC station (and prevent all others from using it):

1. Buy a BPO for a medium ship, a BPO that you will not need.
2. Put the BPO in a research slot, for the maximum time, or at least 20 days.
3. At any point before the BPO research is done, cancel it and start it again.
4. Whenever you need a slot, cancel your unneeded BPO research to start what you do need done.
5. When the needed BPO research is done, restart at step 1 or 2.
(This exploit is not needed in a POS, only in NPC stations.)

Possible ways to prevent this (again, not needed in a POS):

1. Make the cancel button unavailable after a few short hours (3 should be reasonable). Only the player that started the job may cancel it.
2. Log how many times an account will cancel/start jobs on one line (if cancellation is limited to 3 hours frequency will be high).
3. Flag BPO's as having been canceled too often, so that they cannot be canceled again. Inform the player of such with a popup.
4. Increase the number of lines available in NPC stations (hisec is too crowded for so few lines).

I believe this exploit to be very widely used, as I was told of it by many players that told me to do it (though I never have). This should also be considered griefing, as I have found no place to do ME research in hisec (even though the lines are there). First come first serve is great, except when I can't get served at all.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#2 - 2013-01-28 01:50:42 UTC
Or simply change rules to commit to the full 20 days even if it the job is cancelled.

Meaning: Put in BPO, set to 20 days. Ten minutes later, hit cancel. Go to install BPO again = "Sorry, but this line will not be available to you again until the full 20 days are up."

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2013-01-28 01:59:29 UTC
Actually, right now, if you cancel a job, the line remains active for the full time. So it'll stay active for the full 20 days.

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Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2013-01-28 02:11:51 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Actually, right now, if you cancel a job, the line remains active for the full time. So it'll stay active for the full 20 days.


Nice coat.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2013-01-28 02:57:19 UTC
Not the first time this has come up recently. It still doesn't work. But go ahead and try it. I suggest a titan bpo though. Just to be sure.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-01-28 03:54:34 UTC
Doesn't work. But it's a half decent way to mess with anyone not using a POS.

Go around queueing up Titan(other Capital BPOs work too, I guess) ME, PE, or Copy jobs with a low skilled alt (so they take as much time as possible). Cancel the job and you get your BPO and Alt's job slot back, but the station stays backed up. Then repeat. Costs about 700k ISK/line/month to block it for everyone (no, you can't use it either).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#7 - 2013-01-28 04:54:46 UTC
Good grief, I have way better things to do with lab my jobs than to commit them to just keeping a slot open, even if this did work. I have 6 freaking alts, and will soon train more, just to be able to run more lab jobs. Tying up my limited pool of lab slots just "waiting" for something useful to do seems crazy. I ALWAYS have something useful to do with lab slots.
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#8 - 2013-01-28 05:32:14 UTC
And this is why I use POSs, I can only grief myself Lol

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-28 08:19:24 UTC
When you go to cancel a job, you get explicitly told that cancelling the job will not free up the slot. There's sometimes a tool top on the character selection screen that says the same thing.

The people telling you to do this are either clueless or messing with you.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#10 - 2013-01-28 10:13:48 UTC
Or simply remove research slots from high sec.
Mortimer H
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-28 13:21:37 UTC
In the Forge lines even in low-sec are now busy for 25 days.
Congrats, research service went up in value.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-28 13:33:53 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Or simply remove research slots from high sec.




Or simply make null sec player owned facilities better for player run corporations/alliances in this game pretending to be a player content game but having worst facilities/mods/structures than NPC.

How about that?

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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#13 - 2013-01-28 15:24:10 UTC
Clearly the OP is either a. Trolling trying to get people to tie up a bunch of research slots, or b. an idiot who has never actually tried this method.

I am voting for both a and b.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-01-28 15:44:02 UTC
moran

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Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#15 - 2013-01-28 18:00:25 UTC
im pretty sure discussion of exploits is bannable ofence in forum. I do hope you did petition this under game bugs.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...

Amaloy Jeqcovy
Raytheon Intergalactic Research
#16 - 2013-01-29 04:13:49 UTC
For those of you that posted here to troll: go away and let the adults talk now. Your judgmental comments on me instead of critical thinking on the subject matter add nothing and make you look like an idiot. No amount of arguing this point will change that.

I am simply pointing out something that is OBVIOUSLY broken, and it seems there has been only half a lazy attempt to fix it (from what I read here, no an exploit, just easy to grief). Again, I did not try it.

RubyPorto wrote:
Doesn't work. But it's a half decent way to mess with anyone not using a POS.

Go around queueing up Titan(other Capital BPOs work too, I guess) ME, PE, or Copy jobs with a low skilled alt (so they take as much time as possible). Cancel the job and you get your BPO and Alt's job slot back, but the station stays backed up. Then repeat. Costs about 700k ISK/line/month to block it for everyone (no, you can't use it either).


You seem to understand what I'm saying.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2013-01-29 04:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Amaloy Jeqcovy wrote:
For those of you that posted here to troll: go away and let the adults talk now. Your judgmental comments on me instead of critical thinking on the subject matter add nothing and make you look like an idiot. No amount of arguing this point will change that.

I am simply pointing out something that is OBVIOUSLY broken, and it seems there has been only half a lazy attempt to fix it (from what I read here, no an exploit, just easy to grief). Again, I did not try it.

RubyPorto wrote:
Doesn't work. But it's a half decent way to mess with anyone not using a POS.

Go around queueing up Titan(other Capital BPOs work too, I guess) ME, PE, or Copy jobs with a low skilled alt (so they take as much time as possible). Cancel the job and you get your BPO and Alt's job slot back, but the station stays backed up. Then repeat. Costs about 700k ISK/line/month to block it for everyone (no, you can't use it either).


You seem to understand what I'm saying.


Except that you don't get the slot back. So there's no exploit. And therefor, what I described is not at all what you were saying.

And reducing the ability of your competitors to do business using free, risk-free NPC research slots is not griefing, it's simply sound business practice.

There has been no attempt to fix something that is not a problem (duh).

And posting to explain that the entirety of your knowledge of the subject is, at best, second hand does not put you in a position where you can claim that other people look like idiots without looking like one yourself.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#18 - 2013-01-29 04:39:33 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Or simply remove research slots from high sec.


that would be hilarious, research only on dust planets haha
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2013-01-29 04:59:26 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Or simply remove research slots from high sec.


that would be hilarious, research only on dust planets haha


Honestly, for once I might have to agree with Brewlar.

I think NPC research slots are similar to NPC mineral buy/sell orders. They were useful while the game was young and CCP was unsure if players would be able to deal with an entirely player run market of something so basic, but now that players have shown that they can, it's time to let them go.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

LordPidey Adtur
Aloren Foundations
#20 - 2013-01-29 08:40:47 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Or simply remove research slots from high sec.


that would be hilarious, research only on dust planets haha


Honestly, for once I might have to agree with Brewlar.

I think NPC research slots are similar to NPC mineral buy/sell orders. They were useful while the game was young and CCP was unsure if players would be able to deal with an entirely player run market of something so basic, but now that players have shown that they can, it's time to let them go.



I have to disagree with this. There is no way to rent out PoS research slots through the UI to someone not in your corporation.

Bottom line is, right now, in order for my PoS to research someone else's blueprints, I need to either

1.) Be given the BPO, which means collateral must be paid and whatnot, and use MY skills.
OR
2.) Let them into my corporation and give them roles, which means that he can shoot me in hisec, AND if there are multiple people researching at the same time... they can cancel EVERYONE's job.

Obviously neither of these are ideal. Once it becomes possible to lease my PoS slots without said problems, then I will agree. Until then, it is a poor idea.
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