EVE General Discussion

Nothing is a sure thing in war. If you lose a major part of your fleet, and you can't regroup and rally in some way, you're going to lose. As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, fielding a force that size in an active combat zone is a gamble.

Even in RL war, a battleship cannot survive indefinitely against a bunch of frigates without support. It simply isn't possible; the guns won't hit targets that small and fast. Losing your subcaps means that you've lost that support 'cushion', and your capital ships are now vulnerable.

In short:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose!

Honest mistake. Didn't they used to be able to back in the day? If not, I stand corrected.



While I am unfamiliar with the "vorticity" mechanic, I never meant to say they couldn't hit non-capital ships. I said moving targets, and I say "moving" pretty comfortably because the chances that someone is going to directly charge a dreadnought that's firing on them are pretty damn slim. Any ship moving in just about any direction has at least SOME transversal "vorticity" component, and for Dreads, any transversal at all on something smaller than a capital ship means you're likely going to miss.

Also, you are not considering the effect that the signature resolution of the guns themselves have. An Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I has a SigRes of 1000m. A dramiel is much smaller than this. This means that even when flying directly towards the Erebus, it will likely miss a good portion of the time.



The changes were PROPOSED, not concrete. Relax a little. CCP has already admitted this is unfair to carriers and will be leaving fighters alone.

Thanks for pointing out all my mistakes though, i really appreciate it. Sorry I'm not as smart as you!! :-P

please continue to cry MOAR!

Oh, if you decide to quit; can I have your stuff? I think I'm the first to ask, sooo.....

I love how OP is complaining.....but to me is explanation of why the changes are good for EVE rofl.

Supercaps are not insta-win button so why fly them? IF all my support is dead then I should still win!!

These are what i hear form OP

So because there was no risk before, they were used all the time and killed like gods, now since there will be risk. Your saying super pilots are just a bunch of scarred little carebears who call themselves pvpers because they can kill anything on the field in one felt swoop and suddenly can't this winter. And your trying to say there was nothing wrong with them being in god mode for years?

That was the whole problem. So now there is risk just like for everybody else in eve they rage quit because now they are no longer in god mode. They cry and flow rivers of tears and cry some more about how they are so mortal now. It is about time! Come down to the same level of all of us and die like real men (And woman) grow some family jewels and suck it up. Stop hiding behind broken overpowered ships and just take risks like everybody else because this is eve and it is all about risk vs reward. It never should have been about god mode online or supercaps online.

Because SC pilots have no balls to commit to a fight and be at risk just live everybody else in the game right?!

have a cyno ready somewhere, and try to get your super out of the buble and jump.
if the ennemy can destroy all your subcap fleet, and get all your super bubbled long enough that you can't jump out, you deserve to die.

if you don't like it, then i ask for all my sub cap ships to be able to survive 15mn when i log off on battle. not fair ? then don't ask for your super.

I like this change, OP makes a brilliant point this will be fun

Speaking for us everyday working slobs who to this point only sat on the side lines reading about glorious fleet battles.. Way to go CCP. Hell I like you now.. you can come to my house and fk my sister.
In closing it's always nice to see folks who bought their way up to the win button get it rammed up their a**.
0 sympathy.

With the number of anti-tear posts, you have to wonder just how many people in this game have Supercarrier envy...

The laughable part is, most of the comments come from noob alts who probably have never even seen a SC, much less engaged one. "It's unfair, I can't afford one, so NERF THEM!"

Sandbox filled with mush ? Check.