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CCP... The Simple Solution to the NPC Corp Issue
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Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#461 - 2013-02-01 21:01:28 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Well, if I have learned anything from this thread, it is a confirmation that the #1 reason to be in a NPC Corp is simply to avoid conflict. It won't matter how much they raise taxes. I will therefore conduct War on them by other means.

You decided that before you even OP'd, it's the whole point of you're OP. It's been made clear most NPC players aren't in NPC to avoid wardec, but becuase player corps have become lazy, uninteresting, useless. You haven't been paying attention, but wouldn't expect close minded people who refuse to see fault in their own actions to ever admit mistakes.
It's become clear that those that want NPC's destoyed have ony one reason that holds water, "we can't wardec them," and even doesnt hold water becuase there are more ways to make war then just through wardec, especailly when youre dealing with solo minded players with little to no assets besides what they got in hanger. The wardeck issue is just an excuse, becuase the real reason you and youre buddies have for nerfing NPC corps is plain and simple
1) No one will join our corp to become mine slaves...CCP must make them our slaves NOW...and
2) We have blue'd everyone around us so our moon goo is never threatened, but now we need noobs to shoot to fill our killboards without Concord retribution....CCP, make them our easy, killboard filling targets with no consequnces NOW.
3) We refuse to accept that Nullsec/Sov is broke, we refuse to accept that Lowsec is broken, we flatly refuse to accept our player corps are not attractive to new players, it must be someone else's fault, so...CCP you must nerf something that works as planned so we can continue to ingore the elephant in the room.

If you paying attention, that would be you're real conclusion.
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#462 - 2013-02-01 22:08:03 UTC
Reuben Johnson wrote:

You decided that before you even OP'd, it's the whole point of you're OP. It's been made clear most NPC players aren't in NPC to avoid wardec, but becuase player corps have become lazy, uninteresting, useless. You haven't been paying attention, but wouldn't expect close minded people who refuse to see fault in their own actions to ever admit mistakes.
It's become clear that those that want NPC's destoyed have ony one reason that holds water, "we can't wardec them," and even doesnt hold water becuase there are more ways to make war then just through wardec, especailly when youre dealing with solo minded players with little to no assets besides what they got in hanger. The wardeck issue is just an excuse, becuase the real reason you and youre buddies have for nerfing NPC corps is plain and simple
1) No one will join our corp to become mine slaves...CCP must make them our slaves NOW...and
2) We have blue'd everyone around us so our moon goo is never threatened, but now we need noobs to shoot to fill our killboards without Concord retribution....CCP, make them our easy, killboard filling targets with no consequnces NOW.
3) We refuse to accept that Nullsec/Sov is broke, we refuse to accept that Lowsec is broken, we flatly refuse to accept our player corps are not attractive to new players, it must be someone else's fault, so...CCP you must nerf something that works as planned so we can continue to ingore the elephant in the room.

If you paying attention, that would be you're real conclusion.


You really are the clueless one aren't you.

1) As far as I'm aware of, we are not concerned about recruitment, and all our corp members are somewhat free spirits. No Slaves here... We work on mutually beneficial projects.

2) I am pretty much forced to reside in High Sec because of the Massive Blue Blob in Nullsec, because of my "Red" status, I am severly limited in my choices while in Nullsec, and I'm fresh out of the SuperCap Fleet Blobs which are required to obtain a single Nullsec system for more than 48 hrs.

3) I Know Nullsec is Hopelessly Broken, so is Lowsec.... and Highsec too.
To many Kitty Cats in the Sandbox if you know what I mean...


Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#463 - 2013-02-01 23:38:44 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
3) I Know Nullsec is Hopelessly Broken, so is Lowsec.... and Highsec too.

The alternative being that you are broken. Maybe you're just . . . a baddie.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#464 - 2013-02-02 01:27:49 UTC
There is no issue thus your solution is irrelevant.



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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#465 - 2013-02-02 01:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aza Ebanu
Diablo Ex wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:

You decided that before you even OP'd, it's the whole point of you're OP. It's been made clear most NPC players aren't in NPC to avoid wardec, but becuase player corps have become lazy, uninteresting, useless. You haven't been paying attention, but wouldn't expect close minded people who refuse to see fault in their own actions to ever admit mistakes.
It's become clear that those that want NPC's destoyed have ony one reason that holds water, "we can't wardec them," and even doesnt hold water becuase there are more ways to make war then just through wardec, especailly when youre dealing with solo minded players with little to no assets besides what they got in hanger. The wardeck issue is just an excuse, becuase the real reason you and youre buddies have for nerfing NPC corps is plain and simple
1) No one will join our corp to become mine slaves...CCP must make them our slaves NOW...and
2) We have blue'd everyone around us so our moon goo is never threatened, but now we need noobs to shoot to fill our killboards without Concord retribution....CCP, make them our easy, killboard filling targets with no consequnces NOW.
3) We refuse to accept that Nullsec/Sov is broke, we refuse to accept that Lowsec is broken, we flatly refuse to accept our player corps are not attractive to new players, it must be someone else's fault, so...CCP you must nerf something that works as planned so we can continue to ingore the elephant in the room.

If you paying attention, that would be you're real conclusion.


You really are the clueless one aren't you.

1) As far as I'm aware of, we are not concerned about recruitment, and all our corp members are somewhat free spirits. No Slaves here... We work on mutually beneficial projects.

2) I am pretty much forced to reside in High Sec because of the Massive Blue Blob in Nullsec, because of my "Red" status, I am severly limited in my choices while in Nullsec, and I'm fresh out of the SuperCap Fleet Blobs which are required to obtain a single Nullsec system for more than 48 hrs.

3) I Know Nullsec is Hopelessly Broken, so is Lowsec.... and Highsec too.
To many Kitty Cats in the Sandbox if you know what I mean...



Naw EVE wasn't any better when there were fewer players in it was it? Get back out there and get competitive. You will be the one to show those null sec empires who is boss. Get a corp together and do something about it. you been playing the game for years you know how to change things. Go kick some rears.
turmajin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2013-02-06 00:38:21 UTC
Lets get another thing straight NPC corp players arnt RISK adverse ,and they do PVP.If you scan any 0.0 corps killboard sor any PvP corps killboard s,you will find NPC players there who have lost Frigs,BCs or BSs or most kinds of combat ship.To my mind the RISK adverse players are the zombies in player corps,because the corp/ alliance actually replaces their lost ship for them Taking any kind of RISK away from them The poor dears despite having mountains of personnal ISK,wont their corp /alliance to replace any lost ships for them.While a NPC player has to actially suffer the loss of ship and ISK to replace it.SO WHOS RISK ADVERSE tYou are Nicolo de Vincenza, Diablo Ex and others of that ilk.AS YOU HIDE BEHIND THE SKIRTS OF YOUR RICH CORPS AND ALLIANCES rather than face the cost yourself.The NPC player who PvPs doesnt but bears the full cost on his/her own shoulders.AS I SAID EARLIER STOP BEING A CRYBABY,and either GROW UP and STOP TROLLINGor TRY PvP on your own for a while ,and see if your actually any good ,or will you just lose all your personnal ISK without your corp /alliance replacing your ships.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#467 - 2013-02-06 01:17:26 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
The simple solution to the High Sec problem of NPC Corps is pretty obvious to me


It's pretty obvious to me as well.

CCP needs to ban coalitions and alliances. Then instead of whining on the forums for targets, these nerds can actually fight and stuff.

Mr Epeen Cool
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#468 - 2013-02-06 01:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Fey Ivory
I Seriously dont think CCP will ewer remove wardeck imunity for NPC corps, and there s several reasons for it... its true there is alot of very old and experienced players in CAS for example, but the work they put into helping new players to understand the game, get into the game, and getting a chanse to see all aspects of Eve, yes ALL aspects, CAS do organice null fleets, yes they do organice Fleet mining operations, newbie fleet tournaments, when new players get stuck, people will come and help them out... if people have questions about bascially anything, people will stop and take the time to answear... this is people with experience that care for Eve and give people the time earn learn and get around in eve, so when they finally yoin a corp their more then ready for it...

Is this work you want to take away from new players ?, stop them from having organiced events created for them ?... I tihink CCP know how much work these old experienced unpaid people pour into helping Eve get more players, and i serously dont think CCP will shoot themself in the foot with a bow and arrow...

High sec is high secuity space, it works, its soposed to be "safer" , just couse low and null dosent work, well, fix that, dont fix whats already working to a point...

I kinda feel like its the big alliances that run out of places to invade, their bored, so they want to take ower Highsec... but guess what, the combined might of all Null sec forces and economy, wouldent ewen be 0.1% of what Gallante could muster economics wise, you the people in nullsec, is what 20k people ?, have no work force, no real industries, its not ewen one planet... i see it alittle as the Goldrush in the wild west, lots of guns and some made alot of money, but it is jus a drop in the ocean compared to big Nations in highsec... you should never be able to threaten the staility of HIghsec, simply couse the nations wouldent tolerate it...

So fix low and null, and leave highsec alone !