EVE General Discussion

The biggest feature in retribution was to fix bounties. This allows industrialists to put bounties on people that mess with them, in hopes people will gank those people for the ISK. How is that not a carebear catering expansion?

Before that, we got a massive rework of mining barges/exhumers.

There were a couple releases iterating on FW, much of which focused on running plexes (PVE). Sure, the point was to hope that there was more PVP, but it actually involved PVE and created a lot of carebear mining those plexes..

Before that was Incarna, a pure carebear feature. And before that Incusrions.

So, what is the big non-PVP change in the last.. oh... 3 years?

So what have we learned today, except that bittervets need to push the unsub button and come back when the game they think they want and CCP have deployed are more similar?

player activity on Incursion release: 31,488
player activity 6 months after Incusion release: 29,495

the 'carebear dollar' myth

We learned that guys who don't pay for the subs threaten to bankrupt CCP if their kind leave.
Also that single players regularly generate more kills then NPC corps with a million+ players

SInce we're measuring validity of points by cash put in, and you put in zero...
well...

Number I cited was 1 month before Incarna (was released in June). You claimed Incursion was the greatest success for long-term player activity. When I point out that active players declined rapidly after a brief surge with the PvE-centric expansion, 'long-term' is now defined as less then a third of a year.

We learned that people playing via PLEX are not paying for free. They pay by grinding ISK for others, so those others will pay for them to play. CCP makes the same real whether I pay for my 4 accounts, or someone else pays for my accounts via PLEX.


We learned that there are people that want to make it easier to mess with carebears. There are already plenty of mechanisms for messing with those carebears, not the least of which is the suicide gank, but those just aren't good enough for these dissatisfied wanna-be griefers. They want to remove the mechanism that prevents them from wardec'ing anyone at any time.


We learned that people will claim to be PVE'ers, while making comment after comment that sure makes them seem like someone that PVP's a lot.


We learned that people will use faulty statistics, like the fact that there is less activity in spring than fall every year (it's called spring break) to prove that Incursions turned people off EVE. Or maybe it was just people getting tired of logging on to restart their PI, more carebear stuff introduced 6 months before Incursions, that triggered all that activity in those 6 months prior?


We learned that despite ample evidence, some people won't accept that CCP is attempting to cater to a wide variety of play styles and that there is no one single play style that is "the right way to play EVE", nor is CCP about to make major game changes to force carebears to choose between PVPing or dropping the game.

I subbed for a couple years before switching to PLEX.

It doesn't matter if I'm paying for my 4 accounts, or someone else is paying for my 4 accounts, CCP is getting paid for my 4 accounts.

If everyone quit playing via PLEX, no one would be buying PLEX for real money.

they're not catering to me though, they're catering to the guy on the other side of that trade. He's the guy paying hundreds of dollars so he doesn't have to grind.

So the list of things you don't like includes segregated PvP and PvE 'arenas' , gold auctions and metagaming. Are you sure this game is really for you?

Indeed, so there is no problem if NPC corps are removed.

For an NPC corp member I guess those sound like very anti-EVE qualities.