EVE General Discussion

The isk is bad right now I'm talking about if changes are made and mining isn't the way it should be doing it completley solo. It needs to bring people together to be able to make mroe isk like Ranger1 has said

Thats not a bad point there. Maybe a defense system can be implimented for belts that are "claimed" by the system that Ranger1 has suggested and each defense mod bought adds more cost to the fee you must pay

or we could just leave it alone because the system is perfectly fine as it is?

actually OP, how does this sound?

allowing you to take control of a system, and install upgrades. to install upgrades you have to mine ore, the more ore you mine the better upgrades you can install.
these upgrades will make more gravametric sites spawn in your system, containing rarer ores. also in systems you control, you could shoot enemies without getting concord aggression.

how does that sound?

Consider this.

What if belts and the re spawn rates of those belts remained just as it is today, except that you can purchase mining rights (in high sec) that allow you to not only use those belts exclusively but to defend them against would be claim jumpers?

To maintain your mining rights you would need to pay a fee to the local empire, and would need to maintain a certain minimum level of mining activity in those belts. If your mining activity drops below that threshold, you lose your exclusive rights to that belt.

If someone comes in and begins mining in your belt, you have the option to open fire on the claim jumper and his corp without the need for a formal declaration of war for the remainder of that day to protect your claim. Of course, once fired upon that pilot can return fire. Advantage goes to the defending corp as they can pick and choose whom to open fire upon, although during the time period of the ensuing limited engagement the claim jumper can of course choose to reship just as they can now.

Now if I see a belt that I want to work that is already claimed I have all of the options currently available to me, including suicide ganking and war declaration, to use to drive productivity down in that belt to the point where I can claim it for my own. Of course, I now have to maintain the minimum level of output to hold my claim (and pay the appropriate fee).

Options would be opened up on both sides of the coin, with a minimum of fiddling around with current game mechanics.

Obviously the details would have to be examined and balanced.

I have always thought it odd that valuable resources could not be legally claimed, fought over, and defended even in high sec. The problem as been that there was no advantage or game mechanic in place to do so. Why form a large mining corp (with some level of self defense capability) when there is little to gain (other than some productivity gains) from working together as opposed to every miner for himself (and an alt or two).

I think we could and should consider allowing claims to be filed on resources such as asteroid belts and let people have another point of contention.

Make it profitable to work together to "own" a resource, and people will work together to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRBXYsMuV4A

BOOM KABLAM SPLAT

Now this is what it should be!

I dont see any actual mining in that .....

From the clip it just appears to be yet another twitch-based space combat sim ..
im not saying thats a bad thing, just the name doesnt really correlate too well with the viewed gameplay.

Mining currently sucks, I don't think very many people will seriously dispute that (social chatty time factors aside).

I don't necessarily think mining should be much more profitable over all. Rather I think that the focus should be on making it so that well organized groups of miners reap significantly higher rewards than solo or loose groups do. In this way those that choose to remain solo get very basic ore to grind through AFK or whatever. But those that engage more fully in the activity reap noticable rewards, providing motivation to organize as well as motivation to protect what they have.

This is something that is currently sorely lacking.

The only motivation now is to at least have someone around (or an alt) providing gang links and some sort of hauling activity efficient enough to support a small group at most. Many don't even bother with this as the difference is not significant, and that is fine. But there are those out there that WOULD get serious about it and organize if they could achieve not only significantly higher profits but a sense of ownership as well.

Solo miners would not be overly penalized (in fact ninja mining would become much more interesting and a high sec activity), while those willing to organize and claim those resources as their own (and protect them) would have a very good reason to do so.

I think you may be confusing some of the points I made with others that have been offered through out the thread (perfectly understandable, it's been back and forth quite a bit).

My central point is that being able to acquire mineral rights in high sec would provide strong reasons to organize and defend those belts by providing tangible increases in profits and a strong sense of ownership. The only downside for the loner would be that higher yeild ore would be more difficult to find unless you choose to ninja mine from an "owned" belt.

Old play styles are not overly disrupted, newer and more interactive play styles are encouraged. A sense of ownership is finally brought to high sec space.

I really don't follow why you think people would stop mining.

As a side note, mining with other people in an organized group (even under the current rules set) enhances your yield due to gang links and organized hauling procedures. This is why small groups (or serious multiboxers running dozens of accounts) do it to begin with. But there is little sense of ownership, no reason to stay in one area or defend that area, and the increase in profit is not significant enough to sufficiently reward the players for their organizational efforts.

If a person wanted to continue mining AFK and solo, there would certain be nothing to stop him.