EVE General Discussion

^ relax, the guy just has no idea what "flavour text" is and how it happens to be off with actual gameplay in EVE.
And how bad EVElopedia is in general, on top of that.

The biggest problem I see is that prices would be dictated by mineral availability, not the current (ish) demand driven value.

This does not scale.

As eve grows you would have more people trying to use the same fixed pool of minerals. This would cause forced inflation on the game which is bad for its long term health. Any changes to mining must scale with the number of people playing the game, otherwise we would just be creating a problem down the road.

As for the overall idea of making mining more interactive, I would like to see a measured experiment with ring mining if it ever happens. Use that as a test bed to judge if an active mining approach would be appropriate for EVE as a whole.

sounds like a sarcastic reference to miner bumpers.

In fact, I could see a strong case being made for tweaking mineral distribution slightly if this were done.

Unclaimed belt: All normal "standard" varieties of ore available (as now), but none of the higher yield versions.

Actively claimed belt: Depending on the level of activity by the members of the corp claiming the belt, the higher yeild varieties of those same ore's start to become available.

Thus giving better productivity, thus providing a reason for others to try and leach off the claim (or jump the claim and wrest control of it away), thus giving a reason to defend them, thus giving a reason for actually well rounded mining corps to form and recruit, thus giving a reason to solo miners to seriously consider joining or forming this type of corp.

And most importantly giving high sec residents not only a sense of ownership, but a reason for that to be desireable.

Currently high sec miners only see action against residents of null that are suicide ganking, or rogue war dec corps.. and often don't have a desire (or more importantly, a reason) to organize or to defend themselves.

Afterwards you would very likely see conflicts and eventually wars between different mining concerns, motivated solely by the desire for profit and power. You would see wars waged and actively pursued by both sides for the very same reason large conflicts happen in 0.0. You could also very well see a spike in mercenary use from those successful organizations that would rather spend some of their profits getting others to do their dirty work or defend their interests from hostile take over.

Perhaps eventually similar mechanics could be introduced to other forms of industry and commerce, providing even more reason for high sec residents to covet certain area's or resources, and enter into physical or economic conflict over them.

Perhaps.

Your quoting is absolutely ridiculous There won't be more effort unless there is more reward.....

based on the fact that when you completely clear out a grav site in 0.0 it respawns 15 mins later, it is correct. guess your personal experience was "i jumped in to 0.0 by accident then jumped out again"?

But this would only work for corps with 24 hour / day mining ops in each system they're active in.

If a corp doesn't have anyone to sign-on immediately after DT all the best ore in their claimed belt (and quite likely all the ore in the belt) will be gone by the time they get there. How will they be able to defend themselves?

The large 24 hour mining / day corps eat their way through multiple belts per shift.

The large mining corps would be able to outbid all the smaller mining corps for mining rights anyway.

1. What about that is "mining" as we know it?
2. If you want to see an fps with all the perspective of a bad 80's arcade game, rock on. That's not what I signed up for with EveO. I left the games of the 80's back in the 80's.

Those are what we call "Good" problems. Most corps or alliances (in this case mining consortiums) strive to make sure that they have good time zone coverage for a variety of reasons. This would be no different. Whether those players are there to actively mine the better grade ore that spawns, or simply there to make sure no one else does, it really doesn't matter and would be determined by the organization itself.

Most well organized groups would very quickly outgrow a single belt, and would have to make informed decisions about how many belts in a given location (or multiple locations) to acquire mineral rights for. They would have to balance what they can afford vs what they have sufficient activity to keep upgraded vs what they can defend from claim jumpers. Do you begin to see where this could make the whole industry more engaging yet?

Yes, large mining corps would have an advantage (if properly administrated) and would have the manpower to run multiple belts. However (and this should be an EvE maxim) the larger they get and the more belts they strive to protect their interests in, the more difficult it becomes. In other words, more profit brings more risk... or to put it another way, the bigger you are the easier it is for the little guy to punch a hole in what you are trying to do.

If the large organization is sloppy about keeping the little guy out, the little guy can simply reap high profits at the larger organizations expense.

If the little guy has more combat capability, he can simply force the larger entity out by interdicting their mining productivity.

And lastly, if the big guy is smart enough to not bite off more than he can chew... and reap good profits doing so... he deserves to succeed. The same goes for the little guy for that matter.

Ironically, money made by mining is set by the collective of all users in the form of demand, and to a slight degree, the material requirements for blue-prints.