Jita Park Speakers Corner

By this definition, pretty much everything is also in limbo yes. That's what its like to be in the pre-planning phase of expansion development.

Which is exactly why we're engaging in this new development process. It's time for change, and time for growth.

Let's be clear here, we have a responsive CCP looking for ideas and wanting to push the envelope on whats possible in the sandbox. I want to work with that CCP, that CCP is great. If it turns out CCP is just paying lip service and stonewalls then there does need to be a vocal response. But I don't want that to be the focus of anyone's campaign because I want to think from what we've seen that CCP is on our side, I want the focus to be delivering content, fixing game mechanics and improving the thematics of the game.

One of the problems with making a living out in null sec for alliances and individual players is the income potential isn't there unless you hold vast amounts of space. This is why very few alliances actually "live in their space." They that can't afford to unless the hold a lot of moons or have enough space to rent. The problem is these moons are stretched out amongst various systems and if your going to have space attractive to multiple renters you need a lot of it.

If you want null sec to be attractive and utilized their need to be incentives to be there in the first place that can be attained by everyone, not just the major alliances. This can be done by increasing density in null sec. What density means is that a system can support more than just 5 people ratting in it. That there is a plethora of potential resources in each system as it should be thematically. Null Sec is the untapped frontier where you would assume there is an abundance of resources and rare resources you wouldn't find in Hi or Low Sec. It also doesn't make a ton of sense to have SOV bills. Why would you pay a government taxes for something it doesn't control. Null Sec is supposed to be well out side of the grasp of the in game governments, there is little they can do to enforce law or taxation. The argument that SOV bills are an isk sink is a bad one because it doesn't thematically fit with the game and is a stumbling block for players to actually create new corporations and alliances out in Null Sec. So the question is how do we boost the attractiveness of null sec, open its doors to new players both in game and potentially looking to subscribe to EVE?

Coding Solutions:

Increase the size of asteroids, number of rats, anomalies and make it so 50 to 100 people in local could engage in these activities comfortably. Speed up the spawn times for these things respectively with the argument that out in Null Sec there are a ton of these things because its so vast and unexplored.

Income Solutions:

Allow alliances to tax their line members, and that tax ends up in an alliance wallet. It makes no sense to have to set up another corp to fill out the function of being the alliances wallet. Also if an alliance is deriving its income off its members say through ratting, that alliance is going to have an interest in living in and protecting its systems. Instead of boring SOV grinds alliances are now fighting to protect their income stream because what their members do in the SOV they hold actually matters.

Drop Sov Bills, doesn't make much sense thematically and there are better Isk sinks to put in place for Null Sec. This will allow new alliances to show up in null sec because greater density, easier means alliance level income and we remove financial stumbling blocks of holding SOV.

Isk Sinks:

First we have just the day to day ship replacement going on out in Null Sec. But more realistically Null Sec would face import and export taxes, probably the one enforceable tax you could expect. Also lets make stations destructible, tie it to SOV is held and the ability for an alliance to collect taxes from its members. You've just removed SOV grinding, made the taking of space more fluid and less eye gouging. That's a lot of isk flying around to defend, attack, rebuild and its tying null sec players to the space they live in. It means stations will be important to fight over and that awesome space battle we saw in the Dominion trailer could realistically be happening every other day.

If people can see that null sec living is viable, incredible fights to be had and SOV wars not something brain stabbingly painful we can easily attract new players and retain them.

Do you think T2 and capital ships would be more common, with more people making that ISK, or you mean alliances would make less from tech moons, and more from the stuff in space. So its the same pretty much as it is now.

I wouldn't mind such big ships, just that SP is a factor with them, especially with new players.

If you want more market hubs than just Jita, you need people living in that space. If you want market hubs in Null and Low Sec there has to be a reason why people want to live there. Right now we have no real incentives for low and null sec when you look at the economic free for all in Hi Sec. The Hi Sec people saying you can't fix these serious thematic, economic and game mechanic issues in Hi Sec are akin to a crackhead saying you can't take away my crack.

Thematically no government gives you protection, perfect refining, the ability to set up your own structures at the cost of a song and immediate access to any production line you wanted. No one in Hi Sec, and no "Hi Sec CSM" talks about these problems because they make money off the status quo. Maintaining that status quo comes at the expense of new players, low sec, null sec and player retention.

You can have all these things in Hi Sec but it should cost you in some form or another. You'll notice no Hi Sec player who comes on here to scream about stuff being taken away from Hi Sec will never explain why it shouldn't be or why Hi Sec is not broken. They can't do it without looking like a fool or intentionally distorting the truth of the matter.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to live in Hi Sec, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want your cake it comes at a price in the form of taxes or earning and keeping standings and other game mechanics that should reflect the intended themes of the game.

No, you said you wanted to increase activity and bottom players making ISK, then taxing them.

I was asking would they make so much ISK they could easily upgrade, or would they make ISK, but still only enough to mostly fly T1 ships and rarely T2 ships. Or perhaps they make more ISK, but they are suppose to be ganked more, so they can only afford to fly T1 ships. OR they make enough ISK to fly T2 and capitals all the time, but they are taxed so much, they can only afford to fly T1 ships.

I didn't mean nerfing tech moons, Maybe it can even be increased while grunts make more ISK, then everyone can fly officer all the time, be fun as well.

As for eating paint chips, havn't lvled many minmatar skills yet, so its hard not too.

Making the statement "Hi Sec doesn't have it hard," is absolutely the wrong mentality when approaching the questions of thematics and game mechanics in Hi Sec. Hi Sec is broken and it will remain that way until someone says "lets make sure everything syncs with the themes of the game, and that the game mechanics in place actually make sense."

When you asked me the question about what alliance taxes will do to people who fly ships in Null Sec, its clear to me you have never lived in Null Sec. First, no alliance would tax their members into poverty, no one would stick around very long. Second, every alliance is different in the fleets they fly. Also your always going to have fleets with T2 and T1 ships out there taking up their respective roles.

Rather than get bogged down in why alliances choose to fly some ships over others or their reimbursement policies, lets cut to the chase by posing a simple question:

What do you have against null sec alliance being able to draw an income off of taxing its members?

Well yes I expect you would like it the way it is. Getting everything for free with no effort - what's not to like?

Taxes in Highsec:

Umm, There are? You can reduce sales tax with skills, but it's there. (Not saying it shouldn't go up, but just pointing it out)
With Charters, perhaps have a scaling in how many you need, based on the number of open moons. Or add an isk element to redeeming them (right now, it's 500lp only, for 100, iirc)
Taxes/fees on Refineries makes sense, though will have to be scaled carefully. Ideally something per m3, with no fee below a specific value. (Something low enough that it'd be a nightmare for someone to avoid all the time, but high enough that a noob who's lost everything can mine their way back into some isk. maybe 100-200m3 or so.) Scaled so that it doesn't totally kill the market by doubling the price of trit.


Standings:

Perfect refining needs 6.67 for the corp. Not impossible to get, but not minimal.


As for POS anchoring, how about, instead of them getting blown up if standings fall, fees go up instead. Possibly ditto with station fees.