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Crime & Punishment

 
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My general take on EvE so far.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2013-01-26 23:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Cannibal Kane wrote:

Not true...

The forums is a valuable source of war decs for me which your corp will be part of soon. I will then display my asshattery in game.


Another one bites the dust.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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piecakes's brother
Assasinated Zombies
#22 - 2013-01-27 01:44:58 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
piecakes's brother wrote:
no one cares... about what you think

Didnt read cause it was long and I dont like reading


I can say the same about that statement, which begs the question as to why you would bother even saying so, unless you thought it would annoy me, which bring me back to my post anyway.

Leved to see that some topics you started were locked. Congrats on your ability to communicate.

By the way, you posted this line "I should be able to rant about whatever i ******* feel like... esp if its true", so yea, think before you open your mouth.

Sorry only got through first sentence... and then i remebered that I dont care
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#23 - 2013-01-27 02:36:24 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:


I wasnt expecting 4 page replies on why I was wrong, I was also hoping not to get the usual one liners. EvE has incredible amounts of potential, but it seems to be stagnating around a very small pool of possibilities.



You are not wrong.

Eve is full fof asshats and morons.

It also have thousand sof players doing the 'day to day' stuff like mining and missions and sell cheap stuff.

You my friend have had the unfortunate pleasure of the company of some of the more underhanded players. Now if you think on what you would like ot do more of in EVE then go and speak to players who that you will find that EVE does in fact have huge potential for whatever game play you desire.

Just as you accuse people of forcing 'thier' gameplay onto you you are complaining that you can't force people to do what you think they should i.e. leave you alone.

EVE is a free world so to spoke. Guess what? you get asshats and douches in all free worlds. Just look at our own little earth and tell me the majority of people aren't asshats or douches.

YOU have to find YOUR way in eve. Not be handed it on a silver platter.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#24 - 2013-01-27 03:56:49 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
..........but you all seem to want a universe full of blood thirsty, crazed killers that gank anything they see, and where so many players avoid the markets and courier missions because more often then not they are traps. That's not a sandbox MMO universe, that's Pirates Online.



You say this like its a bad thing.

Also, yarrr, mateys.

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

No Alibi
Sometimes Here
#25 - 2013-01-27 04:15:08 UTC
The harder you try to understand.... the worse it will be.Shocked

I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my ass is always on fire!

No Alibi
Sometimes Here
#26 - 2013-01-27 04:18:13 UTC
BTW Don't cry.... It gets better.Cool

I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my ass is always on fire!

culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-01-27 12:54:42 UTC
This have been said many times in eve, to both young and older characters that prefer to just do stuff in high sec.

What you forgot about what you said, is that thoes mechanics don't only go against you, it goes for everyone.

If you're flying a freighter and you're scared of people catching you on a gate, use your scouts with webs on it, you can make your freighter almost insta warp out of there.

Besides saying it takes half a year to fly a marauder properly, would be and understatement, last time i check i got 12M SP in gunnery skills, and i wouldn't put my ass in a marauder yet.

It takes time to train stuff in eve, and that's the beauty of it tbh. Stuff takes time in eve, if you don't like that, maybe you should fly another game. Eve isn't for everyone.

I'd like to state that the reason that people dec corps where it's one sided is just a flaw in your corp. As someone else said, you can choose to not fight during that period. Your barge got blown up in a war? well were you watching local actively or were you afk mining?

Being in a corp in eve is really the fun part, doing stuff with other players. Get out of the NPC corp and get started in eve man, AFK mining and running missions 24/7 for isk is plain out boring.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 

Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#28 - 2013-01-27 13:41:30 UTC
I'm too tired to reply properly, but it seems that you need to learn to adapt

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba

Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
#29 - 2013-01-27 15:17:37 UTC
Blah blah. In essence, you don't like the people who make life miserable for you and complain about the nature of the game. What?

Let's face it, Eve, like any game, gets boring after a bit, and since people don't want to go to another game, they start to look for new ways to entertain themselves. The nature of the game invites a certain subset of society that likes to gank/interfere/annoy--typically actions that would get them banned from less forward-thinking MMOs--and that's who shows up. Not everyone, just a good portion.

Ignore them, or factor in their interference in your profit margins, or allow it to bother you. Your choice.

Enjoy the choice!

(P.S.) Choosing to complain in C&P is probably not a good choice.

So... um... yeah!

Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-01-27 15:40:02 UTC
Constructive Criticism:


Drink a cup of concrete.



This is really what it boils down to, and you expecting people to make only replies that you agree with, well...

it's basically the same as you expecting people to only play the game in ways that don't affect you.


another sign you need to Harden The **** Up

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#31 - 2013-01-27 16:35:11 UTC
Every good story needs a villain, and any good villain needs to be able to hit his victims where it hurts. The great thing about EVE is that it gives the villains tools that they can use to impose themselves on other players.

Yes, it may suck that you lost your marauder, you may rage about it, but I think if you reflect on the experience honestly, you will realize that the EVE universe is richer and more interesting because these kinds of things can happen.

Also, there have been a lot of these threads with pretty much the same message. If you want your thread to stand out, tell us a good story. What actually happened to fill your little heart with such hatred? Links to kill mails, chat logs, etc are also appreciated.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!

Marsan
#32 - 2013-01-27 17:48:05 UTC
I think the OP's issue is just that he has had some bad experinces, and has not explored some of the more interesting options in the game*. If you are just looking to mission and mine then Eve is really the the wrong game for you*. There are a number of opportunities for fun eve uni, faction warfare, red vs blue, laid back mission running corps, worm hole corps, and null sec corps. Most of these you can join in a couple of months of joining the game if not your first week. Sure you can't join an uber elite wormhole corp, or null sec corp, but many corps are constantly looking for new members.


*Not that there is anything wrong with mining or missioning. I know a lot of people who play just to run missions/sites with their friends, and others who love to login, mine, and chat with the rest of the corp. Also a fair not of people are mining/missioning to support other forms of game play.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Silus Morde
#33 - 2013-01-27 19:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Silus Morde
I think the problem here is people see an ad for EVE and think oh, a spaceship mmorpg. They see the fact that there is pvp and looting but having played the current brand of mmorpgs they think pvp is consensual or in a special zone. When they get in and play a little they may think oh hi-sec is really safe, and lo-sec not so safe and i will stay away from null cause that is where all the bad guys lurk. They figure it being sandbox means they can play the game exactly the way they want to, which they can. However, there are many other people in this game and they all can plaay the game they want to. Some of them want to kill your ship, loot it, kill your pod and do horrbile things to your corpse. Since it is sandbox, they can. There are consequences to all gameplay choices. If you choose to be a miner and do some afk mining you might come back to see you expensive exhumer burning in space and someone in local chat laughing about it. They will have lost their frigate(s) but the cost comparison is in their favor.
If you like playing consensual pvp or arena pvp you might not like the pvp here. If you like safe little games where you follow a set path, you might not like it here. I mine and mission, but I do so with the acknowledgement that these waters are SHARK - INFESTED. There be danger here. Also I know that if my ship is taken it is usually because I did something wrong as much as they did something right. I own up to it. I don't rant and rave here - cause the the posters here, for the most part, drink those tears and enjoy them. Your little rage post just made their day. for those of you who are new and reading this... and I do advise new players to read C&P to get an idea fo what goes on, pay attention. Bad people lurk here, which is why EVE is sucha good game.

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Zaenis Desef
Unleashed Pestilence
Black Rise Matters
#34 - 2013-01-27 21:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
To the OP,

Your gripes with the game seem to me to be trivial. If you took the time to learn the mechanics and how to avoid these "cheap tactics" you would be fine. This game is HARD! You aren't supposed to be an expert after a week or a month or even a year. I will tell you this. EVE is not for everyone, if you don't like it VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET. Your words are empty on a forum full of people who LOVE this game for all of it's brilliance and it's faults at the same time.

*snipped trolling* - CCP Eterne

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2013-01-27 21:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Silus Morde wrote:
I think the problem here is people see an ad for EVE and think oh, a spaceship mmorpg. They see the fact that there is pvp and looting but having played the current brand of mmorpgs they think pvp is consensual or in a special zone. When they get in and play a little they may think oh hi-sec is really safe, and lo-sec not so safe and i will stay away from null cause that is where all the bad guys lurk. They figure it being sandbox means they can play the game exactly the way they want to, which they can. However, there are many other people in this game and they all can plaay the game they want to. Some of them want to kill your ship, loot it, kill your pod and do horrbile things to your corpse. Since it is sandbox, they can. There are consequences to all gameplay choices. If you choose to be a miner and do some afk mining you might come back to see you expensive exhumer burning in space and someone in local chat laughing about it. They will have lost their frigate(s) but the cost comparison is in their favor.
If you like playing consensual pvp or arena pvp you might not like the pvp here. If you like safe little games where you follow a set path, you might not like it here. I mine and mission, but I do so with the acknowledgement that these waters are SHARK - INFESTED. There be danger here. Also I know that if my ship is taken it is usually because I did something wrong as much as they did something right. I own up to it. I don't rant and rave here - cause the the posters here, for the most part, drink those tears and enjoy them. Your little rage post just made their day. for those of you who are new and reading this... and I do advise new players to read C&P to get an idea fo what goes on, pay attention. Bad people lurk here, which is why EVE is sucha good game.


Nailed it. This is Eve, sooner or later an explosion happens.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr
#36 - 2013-01-28 00:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Freyja Asynjur
I don't think EVE is more about "annoying total strangers" than any good boardgame. When you go beyond the idea that the end gameplay is to be more spacerich tonight to be able to get spacerich faster tomorrow, it opens up new doors.

Try to outsmart the other players, like in a board/card/competitive game, accept that sometimes you're the smarter, and sometimes not, sometimes you're lucky, sometimes unlucky. Then enjoy. Pirate

Also, behind the curtains of this space theater, most of the "evil" capsuleers are pretty chill and nice people.

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Tronword
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-01-29 14:08:36 UTC
piecakes's brother wrote:
no one cares... about what you think



Didnt read cause it was long and I dont like reading



I came here to sing "NO ONE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES". Thank you for doing this, before me.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-01-29 14:35:28 UTC
Man it seems no one lives in the real world : / In real life, people are out there trying to screw you ALL the time. EVE is a reflection of the real world with a bit less consequences, so the darker side of humanity comes out in full force. Sometimes good people do bad things. Sandbox = recreating the real world as close as possible in terms of player freedom.

Anyway, your tears are delicious.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.

Lizzie Lefthand Marstolt
Nice Girl Corporation
#39 - 2013-01-29 14:42:01 UTC
It will take some time to learn how to defend yourself in EVE. Some people will never learn and either spend their time in highsec or quit playing.

But if you manage to learn even the basics, trust me, EVE will become MUCH more enjoyable Pirate
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#40 - 2013-01-29 15:16:55 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
I wasn't expecting too much in the way of coherent replies. I already know what class of players you are based on how you respond here.

You don't disappoint.


Well your whole post is a statement not a request for debate. Given that you have stated your opinion without much option for debate there is not much to say. Your mind is made up and the impression is give that you don't want to debate it. What room for reply is given? None really.

With that in mind you are only left with replies which have no value to your post. Even your comment above prejudges what you expect people to say without even caring on discourse.